Fixing Channel Loss on Long Coax Runs (RF QAM or ATSC ) | Thor Broadcast Case Study

Fixing Channel Loss on Long Coax Runs (RF QAM or ATSC )| Thor Broadcast Case Study Technical Case Study • CATV/QAM over Coax • RF Level + MER Troubleshooting

How We Fixed QAM Channel Loss on a 250–300 ft Coax Run (Splitters, MER, and RF Amplification)

If you distribute TV channels over coax in a hotel, ship / cruise, resort, or villa property, this is a common “everything works except the far end” problem. The fix is usually a clean RF budget + correct amplification.

1) System overview

The site upgraded to multi-channel digital CATV using five H-Thunder-8 HDMI to RF QAM modulators. The goal was to distribute satellite and media-player sources throughout the property using the existing coax backbone.

Key equipment:

Each H-Thunder-8 outputs digital RF (QAM) at approximately ~+35 dBmV per channel (typical CATV level), which is within the reception range of many televisions and set-top tuners.

2) Symptoms and field findings

Most rooms displayed excellent video quality, but the longest run (about 250–300 ft) showed channel dropouts. Only a subset of channels reached the far end, and the count decreased as distance increased.

What the installer observed

  • Shorter runs: all channels present
  • Longest run: only part of the channel lineup present
  • Dropouts occurred more often at higher channel/frequency ranges
  • Older RG-59/RG-11 segments existed in the backbone

3) Why channels drop: RF level and MER degrade over distance

Two things are happening simultaneously in long coax networks: (1) RF level drops from cable + splitters, and (2) MER drops because the signal-to-noise ratio gets worse as attenuation and reflections accumulate.

RF level loss (dB)

Passive devices do not “boost” signal. Every splitter output is lower than the input. Cable attenuation increases with frequency.

  • Splitter insertion loss adds up fast (especially 1×8 and above)
  • RG-59 loss is significantly higher than RG-6 / RG-11 at high frequencies
  • Connectors, wall plates, and aging taps add extra loss + mismatch

MER loss (signal quality)

QAM-256 typically requires higher MER than QAM-64. As MER falls, TVs may still “see” some channels but fail to decode others, especially higher-frequency carriers and higher-order modulation.

  • QAM-256 is less tolerant on long/old coax
  • QAM-64 is more forgiving in challenging distribution networks

4) Distribution diagram (typical layout)

Sources
Satellite receivers + media players (HDMI)
▼ HDMI
Headend Modulation
5 × H-Thunder-8
(QAM output level ~+35 dBmV/ch)
▼ RF Combiner / Splitter stages
Passive distribution
Combiner + splitters (1×2 / 1×4 / 1×8 etc.)
Long coax runs (RG-59 / RG-11)
Far-end rooms / TVs
Longest run may lose high-frequency channels first

On problem legs, insert a distribution amplifier after the last major splitter and before the long run (details below).

5) Loss-budget examples (how to predict the failure before it happens)

A quick RF budget explains most “missing channels at the far end” issues. Here are realistic examples you can adapt to your site.

Splitter insertion loss reference (typical)

Splitter type Typical insertion loss (per output) Where it matters
1×2 ~4.5 dB Small branch splits
1×4 ~8 dB Floor/zone distribution
1×8 ~11.5 dB Main distribution to multiple runs
1×12 ~12.5 dB Large multi-room segments
1×16 ~14.5 dB High-density distribution
1×24 ~18 dB Very high split count networks

Example A: 300 ft run with 1×8 + 1×4 splitters

Start level (per channel) ≈ +35 dBmV
Splitter loss: 1×8 (11.5 dB) + 1×4 (8 dB) = 19.5 dB
Cable loss (RG-59 @ ~750 MHz): ~6.96 dB/100 ft → ~20.9 dB @ 300 ft
Connectors/wall plates (estimate): ~2–3 dB
Total loss ≈ 19.5 + 20.9 + 2.5 = 42.9 dB
End level ≈ +35 − 42.9 = −7.9 dBmV

What this means: The level may be too low for reliable decoding, and MER will likely be marginal. In real networks, reflections + aging cable can push MER below the threshold for QAM-256 first.

Example B: Same run upgraded to RG-11

Cable loss (RG-11 @ ~750 MHz): ~3.44 dB/100 ft → ~10.3 dB @ 300 ft
Total loss ≈ 19.5 + 10.3 + 2.5 = 32.3 dB
End level ≈ +35 − 32.3 = +2.7 dBmV

Result: Huge improvement in end-level margin; MER is typically healthier. This is why RG-11 is preferred on long trunks.

6) Proven solutions (what worked)

Solution 1: Switch QAM-256 → QAM-64 on problem legs

QAM-64 is more tolerant of real-world coax losses and MER degradation than QAM-256. For long legacy runs (especially RG-59 segments), QAM-64 frequently restores channels without hardware changes.

Solution 2: Add targeted amplification on the affected leg

A distribution amplifier should be placed strategically so it boosts the long run without overdriving the network. We recommend a broadband CATV amp such as: Thor 40 dB Bi-Directional Distribution Amplifier (54–1000 MHz).

Important amplifier note: Many CATV amps require a relatively low input level (often around 0 to +8 dBmV). Feeding too much RF into the amplifier can cause distortion and reduce MER, which may appear as “more channels missing.”

Solution 3: Improve coax quality on the longest trunks

If you have the option, upgrading the longest run from RG-59 to RG-6 or RG-11 typically produces immediate improvements. For hotel corridors, ship decks, and resort villa backbones, RG-11 trunk + short RG-6 drops is a common best practice.

7) Products used (quick links)

  • H-Thunder-8 HDMI to QAM RF ModulatorView product
  • 40 dB Bi-Directional Distribution Amplifier (54–1000 MHz)View product
  • RF over Fiber – CATV Transmitter (45–1000 MHz)View TX
  • RF over Fiber – CATV Receiver (FTTH RF)View RX

8) When RF over fiber is the better solution

If you have extremely long runs, difficult grounding environments, or repeated coax quality problems, RF over fiber can eliminate many failure modes (attenuation, ground loops, electrical noise). This is especially relevant on ships and multi-building resorts.

Headend
QAM RF out → RF over Fiber TX
▼ singlemode fiber (long distance, low loss)
Remote location
RF over Fiber RX → local coax distribution

9) Installer checklist (fast troubleshooting)

  1. Confirm modulator output level and modulation (QAM-64 vs QAM-256).
  2. Identify every splitter stage (1×2 / 1×4 / 1×8…) and add insertion losses.
  3. Estimate cable loss by type (RG-59 vs RG-6 vs RG-11) and distance.
  4. Check connectors, wall plates, and taps for corrosion, mismatch, or loose terminations.
  5. Measure RF level and MER at: headend, after splitters, mid-run, and far end.
  6. If the far end is marginal: switch to QAM-64 and/or add a properly placed distribution amplifier.
  7. If runs are extreme or the environment is noisy: consider RF over fiber.

10) FAQ

Why do higher channels drop first?

Coax attenuation increases with frequency. Higher-frequency QAM carriers arrive at lower RF level and lower MER, so they fail first on long runs and heavy-split networks.

Why did an old line amplifier make things worse?

Overdriving an amplifier or using a narrowband/incorrect CATV amp can create distortion and reduce MER. The result can look like “more channels missing.”

Should I always use QAM-64?

QAM-256 provides higher data capacity, but QAM-64 is more robust. Many long-run legacy coax networks work better with QAM-64, especially in hotels, ships, resorts, and villa properties.

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Need help designing a headend or troubleshooting MER issues? Contact Thor Broadcast support with your channel plan, splitter map, cable types, and run lengths.

Hotels, Ships & Resorts – HDMI to QAM CATV Distribution Diagram

Hotels / Ships / Resorts – CATV QAM Distribution (Problem & Solutions) H-Thunder-8 → Splitters & Coax Loss → Missing Channels → Fixes (QAM-64, Amplifier, RF over Fiber) HDMI Sources Satellite / IPTV receivers Media players & signage Local AV sources Baseband HDMI Headend Modulation H-Thunder-8 HDMI → QAM RF QAM (DVB-C / J.83B) ~ +35 dBmV per channel Tip: QAM-64 is more tolerant on long runs Thor Broadcast H-Thunder-8 Passive RF Distribution Splitters / Combiners 1×2 ≈4.5 dB • 1×4 ≈8 dB • 1×8 ≈11.5 dB Coaxial Cable Loss RG-59 worst, RG-11 best • High channels drop first RF level ↓ + MER ↓ Far-End TVs Missing channels on long runs Higher frequencies fail first Fix: Distribution Amplifier Place after last splitter on problem leg Avoid overdrive (typ. 0 to +8 dBmV input) Thor 40 dB CATV Amplifier Fix: Switch to QAM-64 More tolerant than QAM-256 Ideal for legacy hotel / ship coax Fix: RF Over Fiber Backbone Best for extreme distance & noise immunity