Name: 16 RF Tuners to IPTV
Brand: Thorbroadcast
Price: 4539.95 USD
Availability: InStock

16 x Off Air ATSC Inputs tuners to IP model description

16 Independent Off Air ATSC tuners input to IP TS SPTS multicast or unicast outputs. PN H-16ATSC-IP Each TS program - "subchannel" from any ATSC Channel can be converted to IP stream - UDP/RTP/RTSP , it could be used as an ATSC cherrypicker to IP gateway used to be the ATSC Lighthouse Station used during the ATSC3 Transformation The unit has also 2 ASI inputs for external TS's sources , also other models are available: H-16ATSC-IP-16ATSC 16 ATSC to 16 ATSC trans modulator with VCT edit, H-16ATSC-IP-16QAM : 16 ATSC to 16 DVB-C QAM- trans modulator with VCT edit,

Description

RF to IP Gateway

Broadcast FULL HD IPTV content from 16 TV frequencies that can be ATSC / DVBS-S2 - or QAM(A&B) / DVBT / DVBT2 / ISDBT
EXAMPLE Model numbers can be ( H-16QAM-IP ---- H-16ATSC-IP ---- 16-8DVBS-IP )
The 16 Input Tuners choices are: All
The IP Output format is UDP multicast or multicast
FTA tuner inputs can be set to any non-adjacent carrier and converted to IP UDP unicast, multicast streams.
After setting the frequency the unit scans for Video/Audio programs and once discovered they can be converted individually to IP streams or re-modulated on different frequencies(channels) or a different modulation standard.

It supports up to 512 IP inputs and one IP (MPTS) output through GE1 and TS input for re-mux through 2 ASI ports. This is the next generation of Gateways of which will create a seamless conversion of RF programs to IP TS that are easily managed via a secure NMS system developed by Thor to help distribute all of your programs via IP and ASI. Convert 16 CATV in either DVBS2, QAM, or ATSC to IP or Transmodulate one format of RF to another form of RF. This family of products equipped with 16RF tuners is model dependent for QAM/ ATSC/ DVBS2 and works as RF to IP Gateway and can output Multicast or Unicast also can act as an RF Translator.

Because we use RF Tuners with specific modulation formats, these models are all independent of each other and must be ordered correctly because they are hardware based; we offer them in standards used across the globe so you can use your specific modulation standard for your country (please check model selection, reach out to your local dealer or call Thor directly). Essentially there are 3 hardware sets we manufacture, one specifically for ATSC, one for DVBS-S2, and the third is for QAM (the QAM model has built in modulation standards for QAM Annex A and Annex B, DVB-T, DVB-T2, and ISDB-T; this is selectable through the NMS GUI)

Features

- ATSC to IP (SPTS Mode) Each ATSC frequency subchannel Transport strem can be cherry-picking and encapsulated to IP Multicast or unicast stream

- ATSC to IP (MPTS mode) all subchannels are being converted to one MPTS stream

- Auto PIS's detection on the tuner input and automated passes on the IP output

-It can be used as an ATSC3 Lighthouse Station Tuner, receive an IP gateway

Other models are available: H-16ATSC-IP-16ATSC 16 ATSC to 16 ATSC trans-modulator with VCT edit, H-16ATSC-IP-16QAM : 16 ATSC to 16 DVB-C QAM- trans modulator with VCT edit,

Drawings

Video

16 CATV RF QAM or ATSC or DVB- T to IPTV Converter

The unit inputs 16 modulated CATV RF channels and output ready to go multicast or unicast UDP/RTP stream for IPTV distribution. It outputs SMPT's and MPTS for each TS program from QAM, ATSC, DVB-T, ISDB-T (Model specific). It works as QAM to IP, ATSC to IP, DVB-T to IP, ISDB-T to IP converter Gateway, this is the easiest way to create IPTV headend form the CATV RF cable or OFF-AIR. In many cases, 16 RF channels carry over 100 Video programs. Very often used for varies HOTES, GYM's SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS, CHURCHES IPTV Distribution application. It simply works as TUNER - IP Converter https://thorbroadcast.com/product/16-rf-tuners-to-iptv-ts-qam-output.html/116 Spanish Language: La unidad ingresa 16 canales de RF de CATV modulados y la salida está lista para ir a la transmisión UDP / RTP de multidifusión o unidifusión para la distribución de IPTV. Produce SMPT y MPTS para cada programa TS de QAM, ATSC, DVB-T, ISDB-T (modelo específico). Funciona como QAM a IP, ATSC a IP, DVB-T a IP, puerta de enlace convertidor ISDB-T a IP, esta es la forma más fácil de crear cabecera IPTV desde el cable RF CATV o OFF-AIR. En muchos casos, 16 canales de RF transmiten más de 100 programas de video. Muy a menudo se usa para HOTES, ESCUELAS DE GIMNASIO, HOSPITALES, IGLESIAS Aplicación de distribución de IPTV https://thorbroadcast.com/product/16-rf-tuners-to-iptv-ts-qam-output.html/116

Quick Configuration Guide for H-16ATSC-IP - 16 x Off Air ATSC Inputs tuners to IP

16 Independent Off Air ATSC tuners input to IP TS SPTS multicast or unicast outputs. PN H-16ATSC-IP. Each TS program - "subchannel" from any ATSC Channel can be converted to IP stream - UDP/RTP/RTSP , it could be used as an ATSC cherrypicker to IP gateway used to be the ATSC Lighthouse Station used during the ATSC3 Transformation The unit has also 2 ASI inputs for external TS's sources , also other models are available: H-16ATSC-IP-16ATSC 16 ATSC to 16 ATSC trans modulator with VCT edit, H-16ATSC-IP-16QAM : 16 ATSC to 16 DVB-C QAM- trans modulator with VCT edit. RF to IP GatewayBroadcast FULL HD IPTV content from 16 TV frequencies that can be ATSC / DVBS-S2 - or QAM(A&B) / DVBT / DVBT2 / ISDBTEXAMPLE Model numbers can be ( H-16QAM-IP ---- H-16ATSC-IP ---- 16-8DVBS-IP )The 16 Input Tuners choices are: AllThe IP Output format is UDP multicast or multicastFTA tuner inputs can be set to any non-adjacent carrier and converted to IP UDP unicast, multicast streams.After setting the frequency the unit scans for Video/Audio programs and once discovered they can be converted individually to IP streams or re-modulated on different frequencies(channels) or a different modulation standard.It supports up to 512 IP inputs and one IP (MPTS) output through GE1 and TS input for re-mux through 2 ASI ports. This is the next generation of Gateways of which will create a seamless conversion of RF programs to IP TS that are easily managed via a secure NMS system developed by Thor to help distribute all of your programs via IP and ASI. Convert 16 CATV in either DVBS2, QAM, or ATSC to IP or Transmodulate one format of RF to another form of RF. This family of products equipped with 16RF tuners is model dependent for QAM/ ATSC/ DVBS2 and works as RF to IP Gateway and can output Multicast or Unicast also can act as an RF Translator.Because we use RF Tuners with specific modulation formats, these models are all independent of each other and must be ordered correctly because they are hardware based; we offer them in standards used across the globe so you can use your specific modulation standard for your country (please check model selection, reach out to your local dealer or call Thor directly). Essentially there are 3 hardware sets we manufacture, one specifically for ATSC, one for DVBS-S2, and the third is for QAM (the QAM model has built in modulation standards for QAM Annex A and Annex B, DVB-T, DVB-T2, and ISDB-T; this is selectable through the NMS GUI). Features: - ATSC to IP (SPTS Mode) Each ATSC frequency subchannel Transport strem can be cherry-picking and encapsulated to IP Multicast or unicast stream- ATSC to IP (MPTS mode) all subchannels are being converted to one MPTS stream- Auto PIS's detection on the tuner input and automated passes on the IP output-It can be used as an ATSC3 Lighthouse Station Tuner, receive an IP gatewayOther models are available: H-16ATSC-IP-16ATSC 16 ATSC to 16 ATSC trans-modulator with VCT edit, H-16ATSC-IP-16QAM : 16 ATSC to 16 DVB-C QAM- trans modulator with VCT edit,

Model Selection

Models :

RF to IP

H-16QAM-IP - 16 QAM to IP Gateway (unit includes QAM(A&B), DVBT, DVBT2, and ISDBT)

H-16ATSC-IP - 16 ATSC to IP Gateway

H-16DVBS-IP - 16 DVBS/S2 to IP Gateway

Specification

Input	16 INPUT FTA Tuner selection:: DVB-S/S2 OT ATSC or DVB-C Annex A/B QAM (Model dependent)
	512 IP (GE1only)input over UDP and RTP protocol
	2 ASI input, BNC interface
Tuner Section	DVB-S	Input Frequency	950-2150MHz
		Symbol rate	2-45Msps
		Signal Strength	-65~-25dBm
		FEC Demodulation	1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8 QPSK
	DVB-S2	Input Frequency	950-2150MHz
		Symbol rate	QPSK 1~45Mbauds 8PSK 2~30Mbauds
		Code rate	1/2, 3/5, 2/3, 3/4, 4/5, 5/6, 8/9, 9/10
		Demodulation Mode	QPSK, 8PSK
Multiplexing	Maximum PID Remapping	128per input channel
	Function	PID remapping (automatically or manually)
		Accurate PCR adjusting
		Generate PSI/SI table automatically
Modulation Output	Modulation Output format	ATSC or DVB-C Annex A / B QAM ( model dependendt, please chek model selection)
	Standard	EN300 429/ITU-T J.83A/B or 8VSB ( ATSC model )
	MER	≥40db
	RF frequency	50~960MHz, 1KHz step
	RF output level	-20~+10dbm(87~107 dbµV),0.1db step
	Symbol Rate	5.0Msps~7.0Msps, 1ksps stepping
	Constellation	16/32/64/128/256QAM
		J.83A	J.83B
	Constellation	16/32/64/128/256QAM	64/256 QAM
	Bandwidth	8M	6M
System	Remote management	Web NMS (10M/100M)
	RF Out	16 DVB-C output or ATSC ( model dependendt, please chek model selection)
	IP Out	1 IP (MPTS) output over UDP and RTP/RTSP (GE1 only) Mirrors one carrier
	Language	English
	Software Upgrading	Web
General	Dimension (WDH)	482mm×300mm×44.5mm (1RU 19x8x3)
	Weight	3.7kg
	Temperature	0~45°C(Operation) ; -20~80°C(Storage)
	Power	AC 100V±1050/60Hz; AC 220V±10%, 50/60HZ
	Consumption	25W

Question and Answers

Question:
I am interested in this product, which will be ideal for one of our new projects. I need to clarify, on each RF input what can I send, whole transponder or single channel? I need to send all channels (about 32 channels) in the one RF feed from point to point via IP. Can you please confirm if possible? I will not be able to move whole transponder feed with one RF input. The channels are all Virgin Media channels. I would like to send the RF signal from A to B, and looking for a solution, even I leave them as IP on site B or convert them back to RF. The best solution is your RF to Fibre and Fibre to RF devices, which we already have, they work perfect, but for this project, we do not have dark fiber between A and B.

Answer:
Are your channels clear or scrambled and need CAM cards? This unit would convert 16 clear channels to IP, you would need 2 pcs. https://thorbroadcast.com/product/8-x-atsc-or-satelliete-antenna-tuners-to-iptv-8230.html 2 x 16 CH H-16DVBS2-IP 16 x Satellite S2 Tuners to IPTV & ASI Output The unit can discover all TS's programs and broadcast each SPTS for each TS. What do you need to do with those streams on the other end? Do you want to leave it as an IP and use IP STB? Or convert this IP to RF QAM or DVB-T. If so this would be the best unit to do it: IP to 16/32 CH RF Gateway https://thorbroadcast.com/product/iptv-to-16-32-clear-channel-rf-qam-atsc-modulator.html I totally understand, but this unit has 16 RF inputs, it converts 16 individual channels to IP. so with those 2 pcs you can move 32 channels You are absolutely right, it would be easier to use fiber optic converters RF to RF. So you don't have dark fiber? But if you have fiber with, anything on there, maybe ethernet or L-band? Whatever doesn't matter, then we can make a pass through mux for you. We can do a custom product for you and multiplex anything on the single fiber. To explain it better, if you would have something already occupied by RFor Ethernet or ASI /SDI. We can build a unit with that and have that signal and in addition RF as well? Does that make sense? Please take a look at this CWDM multiplexer for example : https://thorbroadcast.com/product/chassis-multiplexing-system-for-sdi-ethernet-gigabit-ethernet-rs-data-8230.html

Question:
I have a customer that wants us to build a small system for them We have DTV antennas pointing at different digital OTA stations and we are looking for a box with built-in ATSC tuners that will encode them H.264/H.265(+) on IP so they can use any streaming box to watch the channels through a local IP network. we would like to encode from 4/6/8-16 channels.... do you have 1 rack-mount device that does what we want?

Answer:
Yes we have a direct converter that will take RF programs and convert them to IP streams; however that device is not an encoder but rather a Gateway, so the programs will maintain their MPEG2 protocol. If you would like to convert to H264 then you would have to use a tuner or STB, for each stream with an HDMI output; then those HDMI outputs would go into a broadcast encoder which will then convert each HDMI input to an IP stream in H264. This is our very popular 8 Channel HDMI to IP Encoder https://thorbroadcast.com/product/8-hdmi-broadcast-encoder-iptv-streamer-and-asi-out-h-264-8230.html Otherwise, if MPEG2 would work out then you can use this device as the gateway for RF to IP https://thorbroadcast.com/product/16-rf-tuners-to-iptv-ts-qam-output.html/116 Considering we use MPEG2 in North America to view streams; if the client to elects to convert to H264; they would still need to use a decoder to grab those IP streams and convert to something you can view on.

Question:

I came across one of your products on the web - "Thor 16 RF Tuners to IPTV TS & QAM Output"

1. Does it have H.264/H.265 support?

2. Does it have encryption support?

Or if you have any other product which supports these please share the details of that product?

Answer:

This unit is a gateway, so it demodulates and converts the signal type from RF to IP, however, it will not change the protocol standard.

So if your current RF television system is MPEG2 then the IPTV will be MPEG2.

If you are in a country that uses DVB-T MPEG2, H.264, or H.264, then your IP will be in came MPEG 2 H.264, H265

It does not support Encryption, so anther words, the RF input needs to be clear and IP output will be clear.

This is the only Tuner Gateway we have in this density.

What is your application, please describe in detail, our engineers will happy to review its ad advise the best solution. 800-521-8467 Ext 2

Question:

Temporary channel sharing that supports the creation of an initial ATSC 3.0 station known as the “Lighthouse Station.” The Lighthouse Station will be the first to provide ATSC 3.0 services in a market and will have its ATSC 1.0 signal carried by other partners in the business agreement.

During this transition or cable company needs to have the ability to cherry-pick the ATSC1 programming and convert it to IP so we can ingest it to our Cable Tv local tv channel lineup. Can this device have the ability to cherry-pick ATSC subchannels and encapsulate them to IP MPEG2 multicast streams?

Answer:

Yes, absolutely, the device can scan and discover all subchnnelTS insight the physical ATSC carrier, any subchannel transport strem can be encapsulated to its on IP strem of your choice. you can also re-map the PID's as well. This is the perfect solution for ATSC to ATSC3 transformation for lighthouse tv programming channel sharing receiver and IP gateway

Question:

Looking for a solution for multicast IPTV. Want RF tuner for over-the-air, inputs from HDMI (computer &DVD), and able to input from YouTube.

Answer:

How many of each signal are you trying to encode? Where is the Youtube source coming from?

I would think 8 RF channels, 1 or 2 HDMI, and YouTube would be via web.

and what protocol on multicast did you require?

youtube is from the web, but in order to integrate, you need to receive it, then encode it again

I watched YouTube video for the 16 rf tuner to IPTV to qam. Not to knowledgeable in this area, a network engineer by trade. Multicast would be UDP. Perhaps a Firestick or Roku device to get YouTube.

Okay so this would be a multi device setup.

We can use RF to IP Gateways' for your 8 ATSC channels

Then an encoder for XX amount of HDMI inputs you need.

Those IP outputs from those devices would all go to one switch and from there you'd have all your multicast streams.

Which part numbers should I look at?

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/atsc-or-qam-to-ip-gateway-atsc-qam-iptv-broadcast-8230.html/70

H-8ATSC-IP

this is the gateway for RF to IP

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-hdmi-to-qam-modulators-and-iptv-streaming-encoders-8230.html/13

2 HDMI input encoder for HDMI to IP

Excellent thank you

Question:

I have been on Plex about 7 years now and about 30 friends and family are included on my Plex. Many can't utilize an OTA antenna for various reasons and until recently subscribed to Locast. I am looking into a solution that I can share my over the air channels with a IPTV unicasting, multicasting or streaming solution similar to the Locast service but on a much smaller scale of course. Would one of your commercial products be a solution? Obviously we are not on the same network so some sort of "streaming headend" solution is what I am looking for.

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hanks for the timely response! Perhaps you might walk me thru this? I am using a couple of silicondust HDhome run tuners and I am lucky enough to get good OTA reception receiving a total of 46 channels. I can only allow access to Live TV & DVR on my Plex server to just a limited few (including my household) because of tuner restrictions as well as my internet upload restrictions. Xfinity has recently announced fiber availability in my neighborhood which could significantly increase upload speeds to as much as 2000 Mbps if I were willing to pay the price. I also am aware of silicondust's commercial products however, like the home units those too are meant to be used on LAN. I would be willing to invest in commercial equipment and upgrade to fiber if I had a solution that would work. Questions: 1) how would your suggestion look on YouTube? Would I need a separate tuner for each channel? I'm sure on YouTube it wouldn't emulate a HD tuner? 2) based on my previous information and updated info today, is there any commercial equipment that you sell that could accomplish my goal? In conjunction with HD commercial equipment (or not) in conjunction with Plex (or not)? Or perhaps utilizing a IPTV box?

Answer:

Do you want to use it on LAN or WAN?
I'm assuming WAN, in this case, UDP multicast would not work.

What you can do is stream your Video to Youtube using RTMP
protocol, and give all your friends and family, private links

You can use this encoder for this purpose :
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4-channel-hdmi-cvbs-network-encoder-streamer-udp-rtp-unicast-multicast-8230.html

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This is the solution :

H-16ATSC-IP-RF, 16ch ATSC tuners to IP, each tuner can be set to the different channel, and output all it will output multicast streams, then you need to have a Video server which will accept UDP multicast, convert it to HLS and serve the customers,

We do not make video servers, you could use WOWZA for example

The reason is that Public internet doesn't support UDP multicast streams, you can use them easily on the LAN, nut, not on the WAN, this is why you need a Video server with HLS, RTSP or RTP outputs

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/16-rf-tuners-to-iptv-ts-qam-output.html/116

Question:

We need between 6 and 12 TV channels (ATSC channels), we are using the camera below and we can enable multicast on these cameras, we are currently using H264 as these cameras are connected to a DVR for recording and we cannot change it, we may have to use the converters that you informed.Bosch | AUTODOME IP 5000i IR

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Question 2

If we use the device below, will we still need the converter?

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/iptv-to-16-32-clear-channel-rf-qam-atsc-modulator.html

Answer:

Because these cameras are H264, we need to convert and encode those transport streams to Mpeg2 and then modulate onto ATSC for RF to your television.

As I noted, there are a couple of ways to do this.

I think this is the simplest solution.

Using IP STB - https://thorbroadcast.com/product/compact-ip-decoder-set-top-box.html

Input the IP from the camera, take HDMI output and then use HDMI modulators.

Here is a link to our modulators.

https://thorbroadcast.com/products/hdmi-1

Since you have between 6-12 camera streams, you can use individual compact units or higher density models

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-chassis-system-for-1-12-units.html/254

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-8-hdmi-digital-rf-modulator-cc-closed-captioning.html/95

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Answer 2

This IP to RF gateway is just a converter, it does not encode, so your IP Streams will still be H264, the television will not recognize those channels.

You need to encode those H264 streams to MPEG2, otherwise, it will not work.

Question:

I need to convert an HD QAM CLEAR signal to send over IP UN-ENCRYPTED. In the current service, my customer has used castnet to convert their coax to IP signal. Do they want to have a CLEAR IP signal so they can connect to their Samsung TVs that support this? But also was curious what STB (Set-top box) I would need as well. For the TVs that need IP/HDMI conversion.

Answer:

So you're correct the 16QAM-IP unit will work; if your customer needs IP STB's we have 2 options, managed and unmanaged.

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/compact-ip-decoder-set-top-box.html

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4k-hevc-ip-and-usb-hd-video-decoder-ip-8230-1.html

So if your customer has Samsung TV's that support IP input, it could work in theory; its rare though someone has TV's that will work with Clear IP streams.

He will have to find an app that will ingest those streams, the issue is Samsung only allows certain apps on their TV sets, so he will have to navigate that himself once he uses the RF decoder to IP.

Please give me a call if you have more details about the project, 1800-521-8467 ext 1

Maybe there is another solution, otherwise he will have to use IP STB at every TV, the IP streams will need to get scripted then loaded onto each STB, then IP input and HDMI output to the Television.

For the reasons above is why most customers use RF modulators, it's cleaner, easier and simpler to implement.

Question:

Do you sell a piece of equipment that converts specific digital channels from coax CATV network and converts it into an IPTV stream?

Example: We have 3 or 4 channels on out CATV system that we want to get to a remote location that has gigabit ethernet but no coax.

Answer:

We do indeed. If you're talking about CATV QAM or ATSC, we have modulation specific equipment for either case.

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/atsc-or-qam-to-ip-gateway-atsc-qam-iptv-broadcast-8230.html/70

The minimum number we do is 8 Channels.

I assume your gigabit network is your own LAN? Or is it via Public Internet?

Question:

1)

I have need for a device that can receive QAM unencoded video on about 12-16 channels, encode those to unicast IP streams which will then be sent over an SD-WAN link to a remote facility, where the streams will then re-broadcast via multicast/UDP to various endpoints at the remote facility. I feel like your model H-8QAM-IP should be able to handle that initial QAM->IPStream piece of the puzzle. Do you have a 16channel unit? If not, I assume I could use two of the 8channel units.

2)

I see it has a ton of coax input ports in the back, but all our channels are provided to us on a single feed. Can one of those ports pick up all channels for the IP streams to be generated from, or would we end up just looping from port 1 to 2 to 3, etc, so each Coax input has a physical connection? What are the IP stream formats, codecs, protocols, that are supported?

3)

So by saying “won't be any other changes versus what you input into the unit”, does that mean we can’t re-encode to lower bitrate or framerate than what is received via the QAM input? We are hoping to shrink down the streams a bit as we have somewhat limited bandwidth available at the source location. Even if that means stepping down the resolution, framerate, quality, etc. We get what appears like about 8Mbps feeds, and would like to shrink it down to about 2Mbps per channel.

I may not be understanding exactly how broadcast TV/CATV works, so please pardon any confusion in my questions. I assumed you had to do some sort of encoding from QAM to IP no matter what, so was hoping we would have a choice of how that gets encoded.

4)

We receive a live camera feed from every camera angle at the track. This comes in on coax/QAM and is immediate, no delay. But we have a number of engineers working back at HQ in the “war room”. NASCAR provides a livestream via HLS of all camera angles, but that HLS feed is 15-20 seconds behind, just by nature of HLS encoding and file segmenting. So we are trying to get a lower latency video feed to the war room.

Our thought was to patch into the live Coax feed at the track, encode it to a lower bitrate RTSP stream, unicast that across our SD-WAN link from track to shop. Then re-transmit via multicast at the shop to any PCs that are online in the war room. We are hoping all that can be done within a few seconds, and overall will be lower latency than the HLS feed NASCAR provides. We have a software package that can receive the RTSP stream and re-broadcast via UDP/Multicast with minimal added latency. So just looking for the QAM->IP/RTSP encoding piece.

Answer:

1)

Yes we do, you can find it here:

H-16QAM-IP

So yes you can do that many channels in one chassis if you would like to do that.

2)

So each input is an independent tuner, you can use your One input , and then cascade the rest. The unit comes with 16 short coax jumpers for that reason.

Output can be either UDP or RTP. Otherwise this is a RF to IP Gateway so there won't be any other changes versus what you input into the unit.

So if you inject a feed that is MPEG2 and AC3, that is what will come out on the IP side.

Each RF input per channel, let's channel 5, will include all minor channels as well. so if you have 5.1 and 5.5 and 5.7 all on that carrier, then they will all be converted to IP.

3)

That's correct, because if you want to do all those things, then you need to encode those signals; again this unit is a gateway not an encoder.

So there are no options internally that would allow you to do those things as a Gateway. This is strictly for RF to IP conversion - whatever goes In QAM would go out in IP intacct

To shrink the signal is the much more complex and expensive process

One way is to use MPEG Transcoders , the second way is to decode each video to baseband Video and use separate encoders to re-encode the stream according to your needs.

Both methods are comlex expensive and require a lot of equipment.

Are you intending to utilize gateway IP output for the LAN IP distribution or WAN (Public internet) ?

The IP output from the QAM to IP gateway is UDP multicast, if you intend to use those streams in your LAN, than you do not need shrink it, LAN has enough bandwidth and also IGMP support to prevent network clogging.

3)

That might work, because we can outputs unicast RTSP streams from it, but again there will be no data rate reduction the data rate and encoded format will be exactly like on the QAM, so it depends on your SD-WAN bandwitch

Question:

Thanks for the reply. I recall you assisting me the many years ago. Here’s a very specific question on a very specific feature that we are looking for in this unit.

Our current Blonder Tongue unit has a flaw.

Let’s say the source (broadcast company) loses their transmission. Throughout the the BT’s web interface it can show ‘missing signal’ on the RF input channel and frequency.

Everything else on the RF output still maps to this ‘missing signal’ on the input … However, any TV sets that are tuned to these QAM RF output channels will show "No signal".

For today's TVs, this means that those channels will likely be removed from the channel list of the TV.

When the source broadcast station resumes their broadcast, everything is restored within the encoder and no changes need to be made

However, any TV that had these channel(s) removed because of no signal will now need to be re-scanned to restore those channel(s).

We are looking a unit that will show a test pattern or some other kind of signal on the RF output when the OTA RF input signal is lost.

We live in a retirement community with hundreds of TV sets, and an outage from an OTA broadcast station like this has a huge impact. (We live in the Southern Arizona region, and our local PBS has been out going on two weeks)

Does the units below have this type of functionality?

Answer:

I understand your point. How many channels do you need to modulate?

We do have 8-channel HDMI modulators available which generate valid channels and static images even without an HDMI source connected.

Therefore, you could use simple 8 ATSC to HDMI decoders with an 8-channel modulator.

This way, even if you lose the signal for some reason, the TVs will retain the channel information.

Will it work for you ?

This is the link to 8ch HDMI modulator

H-THUNDER-8

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-or-8-hdmi-digital-rf-encoder-modulator-8230.html/239

This is the link to ATSC to HDMI decoder STB

H-STB-QAM-ATSC

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/qam-catv-rf-and-atsc-rf-to-hdmi-decoder-stb-8230.html

Thi is the simple application drawing

Question:

Complication is that we are doing 20 channels total.

7 ‘primary’ channels (NBC, PBS, ABC, FOX, CBS, WB & KTTU) in HD, and 13 subchannels in SD.

This solution doesn’t take into account the subchannels, correct?

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Before we get too far on this path, let me recap and add detail on the current BT product.

It has capability take 8 different ATSC channels on the input.

From that, I am able to cherry pick the lineup to provide a total of 20 different channels in clear QAM on 8 different RF channels on output.

I am actually only using 7, as each RF channel is a combination of 1 HD channel, plus 2 or 3 SD channels.

The ability to cherry pick and combine channels on the output are the biggest features that I utilize.

System works perfect except for one issue – when broadcast station loses signal, output on the device looses signal and TV remove channel.

Good news is that you now have the capability to do the ATSC to QAM / IP output, which I’m not sure you had many years ago.

The specific question I have is still the same now with this product.

What happens to the QAM output if the source looses signal - Does your product have the same behavior as our current BT product?

Answer:

For the 20 channels, you would need 20 ATSC STBs and 3 H-Thunder-8 modulators combined together. Each modulator would generate unique 8 channels, which you can then merge together.

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So, to make this clear, our ATSC to QAM gateway works exactly like BT. This is why I proposed a different solution.

If you use ATSC decoders combined with the 8ch HDMI modulator, you will not have this issue.

The 8ch HDMI modulator has a constant output whether HDMI is connected or not (the TS is constantly generated), so TVs will never lose channel information regardless of whether they receive HDMI video or not.

Please let me know if this is clear

Question:

1) We have a client who would like to install two new C Band satellite dishes at their transmitter site and haul/Convert the L Band signals to ship to their studios then convert back to L Band to feed multiple satellite receivers

Do you make something that would work for this application ?

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2) I just realized I asked the wrong question

The "fiber" I referenced would actually be high speed Internet from Conterra on each end. (They do use fiber but its not dedicated)

An IT friend said this:

"They can do a switched Ethernet handoff that can be point to point so if the devices can accept an IP handoff then yes it should work"

IT is not my native language so pardon my ignorance !

At the end of the day the satellite receivers at the studio end need to see L band RF from the satellite dishes several miles away

Answer:

1) Usually, satellite dishes don't send high-frequency C-Band signals over coaxial cable. Instead, installed LNBs downconvert C-band frequencies to a lower frequency band.

The satellite dish reflects the signal onto the LNB, which is mounted on the arm of the dish.

The LNB amplifies the signal received from the satellite and downconverts it to a lower frequency, enabling it to be transmitted through a coaxial cable to the receiver.

The satellite LNB works as a downconverter by converting the high-frequency satellite signal received by the dish into a lower frequency signal known as the L-band.

The L-band frequency range typically used for satellite communication is between 950 MHz and 2150 MHz.

The satellite LNB converts the received satellite signal, which may be in the Ku-band (10.7 GHz - 12.75 GHz) or C-band (3.7 GHz - 4.2 GHz), into a lower frequency signal in the L-band range.

Once converted to the L-band, the following devices can be used :

F-Lband-TxRx 1 L-band over fiber TX/RX Kit

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/l-band-over-fiber-tx-rx-basic-1-ch-kit.html

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2) In this case, it is not so straightforward; it is impossible to
digitize the L-band spectrum and send it over IP.
However, in some cases, we can tune into specific DVBS/S2 channels and
convert TS (MPEG transport stream) videos to IP.
The video channels need to be free-to-air, clear, and not encrypted.
Please check this product, the 16ch DVBS/S2 to IP gateway.
The unit has 16 individual satellite tuners, and each tuner can be set
to a different satellite DVBS/S2 (frequency) channel.
Any videos from this channel can be output as UDP multicast streams.
These streams can be sent over the LAN Ethernet connection.

H-16DVBS2-IP

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/16-rf-tuners-to-iptv-ts-qam-output.html/118

Question:

1) We’re trying to output 130 channels from QAM to IP. What device do you have that can output the most QAM to IP channels as possible?

2) How many IP channels can it output at once?

3) These aren’t for over the air channels. These are for Dish network so there are no subchannels. If the Dish Smart Box can output all the channel to the Thor device, is there a limit to the number of channels that we can output via IP?

Answer:

1) The highest density unit we make for QAM to IP is this model: H-16QAM-IP

2) Each of the 16 ATSC channels has an average of 3-4 subchannels, resulting in a total of 48-64 subchannels, other words, each TS (Transport Stream) has its own UDP SPTS multicast stream

3)

The same concept,

Each tuner can be tuned to a specific QAM frequency.

If each QAM frequency has only one Transport Stream (TS), then our unit will output one IP program per QAM channel.

However, usually the TS's are multiplexed onto QAM channels, meaning that each QAM channel, which has a 38 Mbps space, typically carries multiple TS's, each of which is usually encoded at 4-8 Mbps.

You can verify this on DirecTV equipment by looking for listings under the same frequency, such as channel # 2 (57 MHz) with subchannels 2.1, 2.2, 2.3, and so on

There is no limit on the number of outputs of the equipment, as the number of outputs is equal to the number of TS input streams.

Question:

Hello, I am looking for a solution to transmit TV channels for a hotel, I have 30 smart televisions to which I would like to transmit local TV channels, the installation of the building is with cat6 ethernet cable from a central unit to each TV, (I do not have cable coaxial), in the operations center I have a switch to provide internet to each TV, would you have any solution for an encoder through ethernet to distribute the TV channels by hiring a TV service? The hotel is located in Bolivia - Tarija, in this city there is no iptv yet, so the tv providers work with the coaxial service i will wait for your answer than you.

Answer:

I checked that Bolivia uses RF standard modulation ISDB-T; In this case if you have a TV service or antenna in your facility to provide those TV channels to your location; you can use an RF to IP gateway to convert all of the ISDBT channels to IP streams.

We have a product that can convert those RF channels easily: H-8ISDBT-IP

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/atsc-or-qam-to-ip-gateway-atsc-qam-iptv-broadcast-8230.html/73

Do you know how many channels you have available through your service provider or antenna?

The maximum amount this device can intake is 8; so if you have 32 channels then you will need 4 of these devices.

You will need to have a switch connected to your LAN with IGMP.

Furthermore in order to decode those IPTV streams at your TV you'll require an IP Set Top Box at each location to convert ethernet to HDMI; HDMI cable connects to the TV.

We have two options for these decoders:

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/compact-ip-decoder-set-top-box.html

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4k-hevc-ip-and-usb-hd-video-decoder-ip-8230-1.html

Question:

I need to take 8 off-air feeds and convert them to about 20 IP SD multicast streams for my IPTV system. I'm pretty sure your H-8ATSC-IP will receive, demux and convert to IP, but what do I need to transcode(?) the IP HD streams down to mpeg4 SD multicast?

Can you provide me a quote for that solution.

Answer:

Thank you for your inquiry.

As you correctly pointed out, the H-8ATSC-IP or H-16ATSC-IP gateway will output all TS's UDP multicasts from the 8 ATSC carriers.

But the unit works as a gateway and is completely transparent; whatever encoded signal is carried on the RF will be outputted on the IP. We can change PIDs or other PSID information, the encoded video and audio original format remains the same. In other words, the video encoded format and resolution will be exactly the same as the original format of the ATSC channels.

The only way we could achieve a resolution change would be by decoding all your videos to HDMI format first and then re-encoding all of them using an HDMI encoder.

We can use a simple ATSC STB, such as the H-STB-QAM-ATSC, to decode it to HDMI.

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/qam-catv-rf-and-atsc-rf-to-hdmi-decoder-stb-8230.html

We have many different encoders, but for your specific needs, you most likely require MPEG2 with AC3 Audio. In this case, the most suitable option would be our 4ch HDMI encoder H-4HD-EMH.
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4-hdmi-broadcast-encoder-iptv-streamer-and-asi-out-mpeg2-8230.html

If H.264 encoding is sufficient, we also have 24ch encoders available -H-HDPerformux-24
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4-8-16-24-hdmi-iptv-streaming-8230.html/216

Please let me know if any of these solutions would possibly work for your application.

Please don't hesitate to give me a call if you have any questions.

Question:

I hope you are well, I just wanted to reach out again, we have a vessel with an existing network being used for their satellite TV broadcasting and was wondering if we could put together a solution that would allow them to distribute free to air satellite services as well as HDMI sources, I had looked at the soukacatv systems as they seems to tick a good few of the boxes, but not too confident on the company at the moment (although I did like their streaming system), would you have anything that could fit the bill?

On the endpoints, they are slowly change their screens over to Smart TV’s, would a specific app be available that could decode the stream as opposed to getting the decoders, they have around 120 locations on board that would avail of the signal.

Answer:

We do have both DVBS/S2 and ATSC to IP decoder Gateway systems available.

https://thorbroadcast.com/products/rf-decoders-ird-s

You can get those with either 8 or 16 RF into them with IP output.

For HDMI sources we have a plethora of encoder options; depending on how many HDMI inputs you need to convert to IP this one is popular:

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4-8-16-24-hdmi-iptv-streaming-8230.html/213

It can do from 4 to 24 HDMI inputs.

We also have another unit called the Spartan that would be a good fit potentially

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4-channel-hdmi-cvbs-network-encoder-streamer-udp-rtp-unicast-multicast-8230.html

If you need IP input and HDMI output Set Top Boxes for televisions, we have those available as well.

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/compact-ip-decoder-set-top-box.html

So if you can give us more information on how you'd like to set up this LAN video system, we can give you some part numbers and estimates.

This is a fairly straightforward application so long as neither of the RF streams you want to decode are encrypted.

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There lies the problem in itself. Generally smart TV's know this, well the companies that make them. So you'd have to essentially jail break them and get your own app on board.
But realistically get one of the TV's and look up the specs and see what's available. Maybe one does have a VLC player or something. Not sure how that would all work out since you need to type in the syntax.

The other thing you need to check is if the TV's are just MPEG2, or H264 capable; as the ATSC streams are MPEG2, and the Encoder streams would be H264. We also have encoders that can do MPEG2 IP outputs, but they are much pricier per channel.

This is the largest of issues when we see places like stadiums with huge corridors and spaced out TV's elect to switch from RF QAM, to let's say an IPTV system.

So there are several things at play here, and you need to have your ducks in a row to ensure it will all be working in harmony.

Question:

1) What is the direrence between phisical layer charkteristic between ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0 modulation of ait standard

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2) what other modulation standards are based on OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing)

Answer:

The Advanced Television Systems Committee (ATSC) standards dictate how TV signals are broadcast and received. Two of the most notable standards are ATSC 1.0 and ATSC 3.0, and they differ in various technical aspects, including their physical layer characteristics.

ATSC 1.0 (also just "ATSC"):

Modulation: ATSC 1.0 uses 8-VSB (8-level Vestigial Side Band) modulation. This is essentially a digital version of amplitude modulation and was chosen mainly for its compatibility with the existing NTSC system and its simplicity.
Transmission: It operates in the 6 MHz VHF and UHF TV channels.
Payload: The effective data rate for ATSC 1.0 is about 19.39 Mbps per 6 MHz channel.
Performance: In practice, 8-VSB is not very robust against multipath interference. This means that in certain areas (like urban canyons) or with particular types of interference (like moving vehicles), ATSC 1.0 can suffer from reception issues.

ATSC 3.0:

Modulation: ATSC 3.0 uses OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing), which is a type of multi-carrier modulation. This makes it much more robust against multipath interference than 8-VSB. It can also accommodate various modulation constellations including QPSK, 16QAM, 64QAM, and 256QAM, depending on the desired trade-off between data rate and signal robustness.
Transmission: Like ATSC 1.0, it operates in the 6 MHz VHF and UHF TV channels. But with its adaptive capabilities, it can adjust based on reception conditions.
Payload: Because of its adaptive nature, the effective data rate for ATSC 3.0 can vary. However, it can theoretically achieve higher data rates than ATSC 1.0 in optimal conditions.
Performance: Being based on OFDM and having adaptive capabilities, ATSC 3.0 is designed to be more robust against various interference sources, providing better indoor reception and mobile reception. It also supports MIMO (Multiple Input, Multiple Output) technology, further enhancing its reception capabilities.
Additional Features: ATSC 3.0 is not just an upgrade in terms of physical layer characteristics. It comes with other enhancements like support for 4K UHD, high dynamic range (HDR), better audio quality with Dolby AC-4, and even interactive features and hybrid content delivery in combination with broadband.

In summary, while ATSC 1.0 was a significant step forward from the analog NTSC system, ATSC 3.0 is a more advanced and flexible system designed to meet the needs of modern broadcasting, combining over-the-air transmission with broadband for a comprehensive and interactive viewer experience.

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OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing) is a modulation scheme that has found its way into various modern communication standards due to its robustness against multipath interference and its efficient use of the spectrum. Here are several notable standards and systems that utilize OFDM:

Wi-Fi Standards:
- IEEE 802.11a: An early Wi-Fi standard that brought OFDM to wireless local area networks.
- IEEE 802.11g: This Wi-Fi standard merged the best of 802.11a and 802.11b, using OFDM for higher data rates.
- IEEE 802.11n (Wi-Fi 4): Introduced MIMO (Multiple Input, Multiple Output) in combination with OFDM.
- IEEE 802.11ac (Wi-Fi 5): Uses multi-user MIMO (MU-MIMO) with OFDM.
- IEEE 802.11ax (Wi-Fi 6): While it primarily utilizes OFDMA (a variant of OFDM), which allows for better spectrum efficiency by letting multiple clients share a channel.
Digital Subscriber Lines:
- ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line): Used for broadband data transmission over telephone lines.
- VDSL (Very-high-bit-rate Digital Subscriber Line): A faster variant of DSL, also based on OFDM.
Mobile Communication Standards:
- LTE (Long Term Evolution): Uses OFDM for downlink (from the tower to the device) and SC-FDMA (Single Carrier Frequency Division Multiple Access), a variant of OFDM, for the uplink.
- 5G NR (New Radio): The latest mobile communication standard also utilizes OFDM with various enhancements for different scenarios and use cases.
Digital Terrestrial Television:
- DVB-T (Digital Video Broadcasting - Terrestrial): The standard used for broadcasting digital TV in many parts of the world.
- DVB-T2: An enhanced version of DVB-T, offering better spectrum efficiency and more robust transmission.
Digital Radio:
- DAB (Digital Audio Broadcasting): A standard for broadcasting digital radio, used mainly in Europe.
- HD Radio: A standard used for AM and FM digital radio broadcasting in the U.S., which uses a form of OFDM.
Power Line Communication:
- HomePlug AV and AV2: Standards for data transmission over electrical power lines within a home, utilizing OFDM to handle the noise and interference present on power lines.

Question:

We are needing to output our unicast streams in H.264 format, is this device able to do that ? I see only MPEG 2 listed once I get to the programming window.

Do you make a product that can encode to H.264 with similar functions as this unit or possibly a separate unit that we could use as a standalone aggregator to ingest unicast in whatever format and convert to H.264 streams?

Answer:

The ATSC to IP Gateway takes the data as presented in ATSC and converts to IP; it does not encode or change the TS, including cross converting channels from MPEG2 to H264.

Again, this model is a Gateway, not an encoder, so it takes the streams exactly as they are, data rate, resolution, audio etc and strictly converts that information to UDP or RTP.

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There is 2 ways to do it:

1) Decode any video to HDMI or SDI and re-encode it using H.264 encoder

like this one H-HDPerformux-8

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4-8-16-24-hdmi-iptv-streaming-8230.html/214

We also have the ATSC STB's,decoders, RF in HDMI out

2) We do have 8 port ATSC transcoder but it can only support 8SD or 4HD streams

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/8-program-mpeg2-h264-matrix-hardwaretranscoder.html

Question:

I’m interested in a RF to IP gateway. I had a question regarding the unit. On the RF input of the unit, would I be able to use one coax line to pick up multiple ATSC channels and break those out into individual IP streams?

For example: One of my RF cable is connected to a high powered antenna that should pick up all the OTA channels in the area. If I connect that cable to RF In 1, will I be able to pick up OTA channels 2 and it’s subchannels along with 4, 5, 11 and their subchannels?

Also, I saw a drawing where a user could connect an ethernet line into a switch and connected multiple feeds from that switch to a tuner box or TV. Does that switch have to be an unmanaged switch or have the capability to be set up with particular protocols?

Answer:

Yes, you can use one coax line to pick up multiple ATSC channels and break them out into individual IP streams.

Each of the 8 or 16 tuners is independent and can be set to its own unique OTA channel frequency.

H-16ATSC-IP or H-8ATSC-IP

For example, if you connect your high-powered antenna to RF In 1, the unit will scan channel 2 - 57 MHz and discover all the TS's muxed on that particular carrier.

Each TS can then be output as its own UDP multicast or unicast IP address.

So, a fully populated 16-channel H-16ATSC-IP unit can output all the streams from all 16 unique physical channels.

The unit has RF inputs and loop-out outputs for cascading purposes.

We recommend using a managed switch with IGMP protocol so that the multicast streams can be managed efficiently.

This will prevent network congestion by sending only the streams that have been requested.

Question:

I am looking to stream RF satellite channels over IP, and I found the 16-8DVBS-IP meets my needs, thus, I am requesting additional info about your product.

H-16DVBS-IP supports up to 512 IP inputs and one IP (MPTS) output through GE1 and TS input for re-mux through 2 ASI ports, does this mean, H-16DVBS-IP can stream 512 SPTS HD channels simultaneously?

Does the device support DVB S2X?

Does the device support both UDP, RTMP, HTTP, HLS(ABR), SRT, RTP/RTSP?

Does the device support different satellites like ArabSat, NileSat if it has been used in Egypt?

Do you configure the device based on location or can it be used anywhere or universally/globe used?

Do you have distributor in Australia?

Can you please send me the full spec for DVB S/S2?

How can I access to the chennells over IP?

Answer:

Please see my responses to your inquiries below:

H-16DVBS-IP can stream 512 SPTS HD channels simultaneously? - YES
Does the device support DVB S2X? -NO
Does the device support both UDP, RTMP, HTTP, HLS(ABR), SRT, RTP/RTSP? -NO , just UDP or RTP unicast or multicast -
Does the device support different satellites like ArabSat, NileSat if it has been used in Egypt? -any Free to air Satt ( no encrypted )
Do you configure the device based on location or can it be used anywhere or universally/globe used? NO, base on the frequencies
Do you have distributor in Australia? -NO, we sale directly
Can you please send me the full spec for DVB S/S2? - in is located on the website
How can I access to the chennells over IP? - Unit have NMS port for the Management, Data port is for the IP output, you can access through the VLC player on the PC.s or IP STB's like this one https://thorbroadcast.com/product/compact-ip-decoder-set-top-box.html

Basically, this unit can accept up to 16 different satellite channels. You would need to know what the differences are, and it can output all the video/audio programs as IP streams. Typically, customers use it as a UPS multicast because they can access it anywhere on the LAN (Local Area Network) using VLC players on their PCs or IP STBs. An example of the multicast IP address is 224.2.2.2, port 1000. In VLC syntax, the address would be udp://@224.2.2.2:1000, and you can view the video.

If your plan is to send these videos to customers over the public internet, you would need a video server (we do not make this). Here’s how it would work: our unit would stream UDP multicast streams locally into the video server as the source, and the video server would send unicast streams to the devices that request them, typically as HLS streams.

. If you haven't done any IP projects in the past, there will be a learning curve. We can help you set up the equipment remotely, but you will need to know your satellite channels and frequencies