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HDMI RF Modulator Chassis System 1-12 Units 12 Ch HDMI

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Model: H-Petit-12CH-RM
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12 Ch HDMI model description
Twelve individual Petits with brackets. This mounting rack-mountable chassis system is expandable from 1-12 channels. Each Petit having its own loop out, RF IN/OUT combiner, Network Management System (NMS) port and programmable front LCD panel. Although you can edit through the front panel, you can also use the Graphical User Interface via a web browser and the NMS port to set more precise settings. You can also use the multiple Petits to broadcast in both ATSC and Cable QAM modulation for your various media needs. This setup is perfect for bars, restaurants or anyone whom would like to setup twelve different HDMI media feeds to their location; allowing for much more diversity in content displayed throughout your venue.

Description

HDMI Modulator system accommodates 1-12 modulators for Coax RF distribution - Chassis-style design.

The most unique and cost-effective Networked Digital HDMI RF modulator. Designed to allow any HDMI source like an STB, satellite receiver, HDMI camera, DVD player, Computer, and a ROKU device.You can convert to any RF TV channel of your choice. 

With the Modulator Rack, you get all the great features you love about the Petit bundled together in groups from 2-12 Petits. This is perfect for CATV modulation applications in bars, restaurants and any other place that needs up to 12 different HDMI signals modulated throughout their facility. 

When you order a Thor Chassis System with any amount of modulators, you will get the horizontal rack bars, and enough rack ears for the amount of units purchased in your set. You just need to attached the horizontal bars to your 1RU Rack, followed by adding the rack ears to each Petit, and then using screws to fasten the Petit's into the horizontal bars. As with all of Thor Broadcast units, we will gladly handle presetting the units if you so wish, so once you add the units into the rack, plug in the power supplies, HDMI, and RF cables, you'll be ready to launch your RF system in no time. 

This Thor Modulator is an all-in-one device integrating  HD MPEG2 encoding with AC3 Dolby Audio with an internal digital modulator. Converts HD audio/video signals from any device into DVB-C/ DVB-T/ ATSC/ ISDB-T RF output.
The unit supports any HD source with the following video resolutions: 720p, 1080i, 1080p

Simply connect to any PC and control the unit via Thor Broadcast's proprietary GUI which has been touted as being the best on the market.

This unit is plug and play and has exceptional quality for a very low price to help anyone with any budget create their very own RF channel which can be viewed on thousands of televisions simultaneously. 

Tags: HDMI over COAX

Features

  • HDMI Input - HDCP compliant ( works with any HDMI device )
  • 10/100 Ethernet NMS port for control, setup, and monitoring
  • RF output could be set to any CATV format as QAM, ATSC, DVB-T, or ISDB-T 
  • RF output power is +24dbmv; enough for distributing HDTV video to 100's TV over the existing coax cable network
  • RF power could be controlled over the network via NMS GUI (Proprietary)
  • MPEG2 video encoding
  • AC3 Audio encoding
  • Video bit rate 19.3Mbps
  • Supports any CATV RF agile channels form 57-1000Mhz, channels  2 -145,
  •  Supports output resolutions up to 1080p
  •  Easy to set up via NMS.
  •  Small size and lightweight
  • Includes wall-mount type rack ears
  •  Install multiple units onto your TV system

Additional Accessories (not included) :

16 port 12V 1.5A DC  Power Supply  Rackmount:  H-PS-12X16

 

 

Application Examples

Using ATSC QAM Set top box with the HDMI modulator

Using ATSC QAM Set top box with the HDMI modulator



Video

Product Video
Thor HDMI to Coax FULL HD 1080p60 Digital modulator QAM, ATSC, DVB T, ISDB T with HDMI LOOP WEBNMS
$291.89 - ALL new THOR BROADCAST Full HD 480i, 720p, 1080i, 1080p HDMI, HDCP compliant, digital, Agile COAX modulator for QAM ,over-the-air ATSC 8VSB, ISDB-T, and DVB-T. MPEG2 encoding with AC3 Audio encoding, Data rate up to 22Mbps, Perfect for educational, sports bar, private houses HD over Coax distribution currently on Sale, the best price on the market 291.89 https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator.html
Product Video
Broadcast your video to the unlimited TV's build your own private headed HDMI Modulator
This video shows how to build a broadcast CATV RF headend using Thor Broadcast HDMI modulators. Easy to install digital modulators, similar to when archaic analog modulators were still commonly used. Now you can use any video source like security cameras, computers , DVD players, Roku player, Google Chromecast, Cable TV STB, Satellite STB and other HDMI output devices and send the video out as a modulated channel of your choice. The modulator can generate CATV RF CABLE TV QAM or Off the Air ATSC; or used in foreign countries that use DVB-T or ISDB-T. It's a very convenient system because the front panel show modulated channel and all connections are on the back, like HDMI inputs and RF F-type connector outputs. The RF Outputs can be cascaded or, even better, connected to a 1x12 CATV RF combiner, combined coax will have all 12 or more channels on it; and depending how many TV's the signal is being distributed to, might need to use an inline CATV RF amplifier then distributed using RF splitters and taps. Please note that if the coax distance is very long, Thor manufactures easy to use RF over fiber solutions as well. Please note that if the COAX distance is long Thor offers easy to use RF over fiber solutions as well. Link to 12ch setup : https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-chassis-system-for-1-12-units.html/254 Link to 1 pettit modulat : https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-1.html Other HDMI modulators and IPTV encoder : https://thorbroadcast.com/products/hdmi sdi over coax : https://thorbroadcast.com/products/sdi-converters-sdi-modulators RF over fiber soution: https://thorbroadcast.com/products/cable-tv-catv-rf-45-900mhz
Product Video
HDMI Digital HD Modulator - CATV over coax distribution - high video quality and low latency
This video demonstration includes our THOR RF PETIT modulator ($384) which is being used to send an HDMI signal, a ROKU stick which is streaming just a countdown timer on YOUTUBE App. You can see from the first TV that the timer is moving in realtime using the HDMI loop-out feature of the HDMI modulator. So the TV's to the right have been sent the CATV QAM signal through an RF CATV 1x8 splitter, then into the back of each tv. As seen, there is a very little delay which makes it excellent for any realtime LIVE event like sports, theatre, house of worship. Using the ROKU stick, the modulated signal is going to the TV's in HD 1080 signal which makes it ideal to stream movies, sports, or anything else you can find online to stream. link to the specifications https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-1.html

Model Selection

NMS Video instruction describes how to connect and control the H-HDMI-RF-PETIT via your PC over IP Ethernet Network

This is a link to detailed PDF instructions: H-HDMI-RF-PETIT NMS Connection Instructions

Additional optional accessories:

H-PS-12X16 -  Rackmount 19" Power Supply 16 port 12V 1.5A DC

Application Drawing:

CATV RF Splitters and Combiners : 1x2,1x4, 1x8, 1x16, 1x12,1x24

Specification

                     Encoding Section-Video

Encoding

MPEG2

Interface

HDMI*1

Resolution

Input

Output

720@60p

Max. 1080@30p

1080@50i

1080@60p

Bit rate

2.000-24.000 Kbps

                     Encoding Section-Audio

Encoding

MPEG-1 Layer2, MPEG-2 AAC, AC3

Sample rate

48KHz

Bit rate

MPEG1 Layer 2 (128Kbps)

MPEG-2 AAC (VBR)

AC3 (128kbps)

System

Management

Ethernet

Language

English

Upgrade

USB/Ethernet

                      Menu Configuration

Basic

RF range/Key ID/ Service Name/ RF attenuation

Advanced

Service provider/Network ID/ ONID/ TS ID/ Service

 

ID/PMT PID/VPID/APID/PCR PID/Network

                       Modulator Section

MER

Typ. 35dB

RF range

50-950MHz, 1KHz step

RF output level

100 dB ( 70-100 adj )

Standard

ISDB-T

Bandwidth

6M

Constellation

QPSK, 16QAM, 64QAM

Code rate

1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8

Guard interval

1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32

FFT

2K, 8K

Standard

DVB-T

Bandwidth

6M, 7M, 8M

Constellation

QPSK, 16QAM, 64QAM

Code rate

1/2, 2/3, 3/4, 5/6, 7/8

Guard interval

1/4, 1/8, 1/16, 1/32

FFT

2K, 8K

Standard

DVB-C J.83A

Constellation

64QAM, 128QAM. 256QAM

Symbol rate

5.000-9.000Msps adj

Standard

DTMB

Bandwidth

8M

Constellation

GB20600-2006

Standard

ATSC

Bandwidth

6M

Constellation

8VSB

Standard

QAM J.83B

Bandwidth

6M

Constellation

64QAM, 256QAM

                                     General

Power supply

12V1A

Dimensions

103*64*24mm

Weight

300g

Question and Answers

Question:

1)We have a channel that we insert into our cable providers system. They supplied the original modulator but it is failing and they have implied that they are not going to give us another one. Will this unit take its place? Our cable system does use DTAs for all the televisions.

2) the cable co uses ch 5 the virtual channel on the cable boxes is 98. Can you tell me how to program that? I have already been successful in getting into the unit but do not know where to program.

Answer:
The answer is Yes, any of our Qam modulators can be used for Channel insertion, you just need to find out what channel the Cable company has dedicated for the insertion.
If you still have an old encoder with web access, we could retrieve this information if you send us a screenshot.
We need to know the physical channel number and VCT virtual channel number.
2)
If your cable company is using channel # 5, please select Frequency - 79Mhz  ( this is the corresponding frequency for DVB-C QAM channel #5).
 
Change the VCT Major number from 5 to 98
Once you press apply, the unit will generate physical channel number # 5 (79Mhz) with virtual channel number Majo 98 and Minor 1
If you plug in the coax output directly to the TV and scan your channel, the TV will display channel 98.1
 

Question:

Now I messed up the password and I don’t see a reset how do I reset to default?

Answer:

You can reset the device from the front LCD panel. Press the middle button on the Petit that looks like a box with 3 lines in it. The first time you press it, it will show ATSC or J83b. Press it again and it will show DHON or DHOFF. On the third time, you press the button it will say ASR. When you get to the ASR button press the down arrow to execute the factory reset. The process should only take 30-60 seconds and you'll be back up and running. If you have any further questions please don't hesitate to contact me. 

Question:

Hi Thor support team, I have a customer who needs to add a TV channel to their existing TV network to provide information to the end-users. Their source has an HDMI output. They have about 90 displays spread out in different floors. Following drawing is the best representation based on the information I got from the client. Document also attached. I need guidance on which one of your products to use. Is H-HDMI-RF-PETIT good product for this situation?

2) This is the first time I am facing this type of problem, and I appreciate your help. As you see from my drawings, there are about 90 displays existing, spread over several floors, of a county jail. All coaxial connections to TVs are daisy chained from two outputs of the Blonder Tongue amplifier; see my drawings. I assume each output of the Blonder Tongue amplifier feeds 45 TVs, but I could be wrong. They need to add a channel to the existing rage of channels that broadcast safety and hygiene messages. The TVs are small and mostly old; from old CRT to new 19" flat panel TVs. Of course, the content will have video and audio, but there is no special resolution or audio requirement. A standard resolution and audio quality would be fine. Latency is not an issue since all displays are very far apart. Now that I think about it, a single HDMI input may not be enough, if they want to add more contents later on. Do you have a device that has multiple HDMI inputs? Also, where should this device be placed? After the Vecima box? After the splitter and before the amplifier?

3) Although the Comcast equipment is 2 city blocks away, we can put the equipment near the amplifier which is in the jail building. Client wants to broadcast their message on channel 2. If I use Thunder-4, what type of coax combiner should I use? Also, you probably have taken into account the required modulation type in your answer. I am just curious, what type of modulation should be used in this application?

Answer:

Do you have any more information of what the application necessitates besides HDMI? Do you they require certain resolution or audio capability? Is the latency or size of a unit an issue? We have a plethora of units that can fit the information you provided. The Petit would seem fine, or the AC3-CMOD, we also have multi-channel units like the Thunder-4... All can take HDMI and output to RF

This is the link:

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-or-8-hdmi-digital-rf-encoder-modulator-8230.html/238

2) The modulator should be able to feed all of the TV's. I would think you'd want to put it near the other Comcast gear. But it does it's 2 blocks away? Is there another headend room or electronics closet closer to the facility you can put the equipment in? In either case you can use the RF Petit, or you can use something like the Thunder-4 for multiple HDMI inputs. All you need is a coax combiner, to get the feed from Comcast and our units together. You also should find out which channels are being unused by Comcast so you can put the QAM channels on open frequencies.

3) Yes you can put it on channel 2; any RF combiner from 5-970mhz will work. I assume you will need QAM 256

Question:

I found a YouTube video of yours and thought I would send you a message.  I'm in a 35 unit condo building and we have an old but still working, security camera in our front entrance.  It has a composite video (single yellow RCA) output that we convert to RF VHF channel 6.  We have installed an HDTV antenna on the roof and about half of the owners use it.  Do you have a low-end product that would allow us to broadcast the video over an HD channel so owners could tune to a channel to view the camera?

Answer:
We have a perfect device for ATSC private channel injection for that camera. 
If you keep the Analog  RCA Camera then we'd have to get you an RCA to HDMI converter, then you can use something small and compact like the PETIT modulator, this unit only takes in HDMI.
So you can upgrade your camera to and HD HDMI output camera, and just, plug indirectly, otherwise, we need to get you a converter with the above product. 
 
Single Channel Petit
H-HDMI-RF-PETIT
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-1.html
 
Multi Channel Units
There are units:
H-THUNDER-4  -
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-or-8-hdmi-digital-rf-encoder-modulator-8230.html/238
or
H-HDCOAX-8 -
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-8-hdmi-digital-rf-modulator-cc-closed-captioning.html/95
 

Question:

1) I am on the phone with the cable company and he says I need to change the coax modulation ATSC setting to DVB-t to work but I cannot see where to change it also needed to be mpeg2 and I found that setting

2) I sent that back to the cable company and he called me back and said he neglected to tell me DVB-C Annex B is what he needs. How do I set that? I do not see that as a choice.

Answer:
1) If you log into the NMS GUI through any web browser, there is a menu in the modulation settings to change that. 
Once you get to the menu the password is THOR in all capitals, it will allow you to switch to DVBT
one thing I want to point out DVB-T is a European standard, are you trying to get it working in the USA Canada or Mexico? If so it should be DVB-C Annex B or ATSC so it works with North American television sets. 
American TV sets won't have DVBT tuners built-in.
2)
Yes, this is correct, the DVB-C Annex B is actually Annex J.83b, please change it to J.83B, from the modulation menu or reset unit the default configuration, The default is J.83B channel 2 (57mhz)

Question:

Just to let you know that the two Pedit modulators you shipped me last week have been installed and are doing well. I was very satisfied with their quality and performance

2) I did observe one small issue that would benefit from your attention. The single sheet enclosure in the box said to look in the manual for the instructions to change the subnet on my computer. Being and elder technologist (od foggy), it took be quite a while to fathom that I was supposed to use my phone to photograph the pattern and download the manual. The manual included in the box certainly didn't cover that. In any case, adding a couple of lines of explanation and perhaps a written out URL for the phoneless would fix the problem.

Answer:

Hello, that's great news. Happy to hear the install went well.

2) Yes, we totally get that. They just so happen to be countless helpful documents on the product page, which can be downloaded, and also a bunch of instructional videos on how to do that. The box is pretty small and we just put in the install manual; all other docs and helpful tips tricks and extended installation docs we leave up on the website. Perhaps we should add a note in the units box that those are available via the web

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-1.html

Scroll all the way to the bottom, all the PDF's are there.

Question:

I had is to turn the power upon the modulator for a long COAX cable run. is it better to turn the gain up or down and what is the maximum?

What would be the best RG cable to use?

 

Answer:
The RF Petit modulator has about +35dbmv RF output power, but next generation will have +40dbmv RF output power, same as the 4ch HDMI modulator
RF is a bit like water pressure, it is being lost traveling over the Coax, depending on channel frequency and coax cable type
this is the insertion loss by frequency a cable:
 
 
 

Question:

I was looking at the Model H-HDMI-RF-PETIT. 

What I need is a residential distribution system for about 4-5 TVs. I need 1 maybe 2 HDMI inputs along with a digital off-air input as well. The signal will be sent using RG6 throughout the house. Is this the best model for my application? What kind of loss should I expect from the 1080 sources? I was using a Channel Plus 3025 that finally quit and is discontinued. I want to modernize and upgrade for the best money. 
Thanks in advance for your help. Your prompt reply will be appreciated. 

Answer:
If you need to use an Antenna, and need a couple HDMI sources converted to ATSC channels to watch along with your Antenna, these would be a great fit. 
Simple to use, compact, Full 1080 Picture quality is excellent. Use a combiner to get all the sources in the same RG6 to inject into the rest of your system. 
Units are readily available and have tech support included, along with a 30 day moneyback guarantee. 
Let me know if you have any specific questions about operation or setup, but it looks like you're just replacing an older analog unit, so this should be a smooth transition.

Question:
 
I would like to find a device that:
- connects to the cable system at a 50 bed assisted living facility to show content on a certain tv channel
- would like to connect a laptop to the 'device' and broadcast whatever is showing on the laptop to a tv channel on all tvs
- would like to have a dvd/vhs player connect to the 'device' and broadcast to all tvs
broadcast video and sound to all tvs
 
 

Answer:
 
 
How many HDMI sources do you have total?
i figured i could buy a splitter if needed. Also a computer with dvd player and cut out the vhs
So just one HDMI source?
yes
This is a very popular choice for lower budget scenario's https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-1.html
this is what currently use = DVISn Nano Encoder – RF Out
The DVISn (Nano) encoder/multiplexer with RF output is the most cost-effective and smallest form factor solution within the DVIS line of products for inserting locally generated content into an MDU, hotel or commercial property in digital format. It is ideal for applications requiring a low-cost, basic solution for SD MPEG-2 encoding and QAM-based distribution or insertion of locally generated content into a coax network. Extremely compact and wall mountable, the DVISn device fits into virtually any space and includes fully integrated audio/video encoding, multiplexing and QAM modulation.
We can add this HDMI "Channel" to an assigned number not being used by your current CATV system, and any TV set to that channel wil be able to get the TV
so it should be easy to swap devices ?
Yes very much so
we can even preconfigure the device to your current settings so when you get it, you just have to plug it in
do use third party to come on site ?
or I should be able to handle ?
You should be able to hook up a few cables
we will set it up like your current unit, all we need to know is which channel you're currently sending video on
dont recall - but i find out when time comes
so its matter of ordering via thor website and you config and ship and i plug in - done?
correct
just send us an email after you order with the information we need, and we'll do the rest

Question:

I'm a tech support volunteer at a continuing care retirement community. We operate three in-house TV channels and currently use two of your CATV modulators. We are operating at the top end of the CATV spectrum on channel 122, at 860 MHz. I'm interested in replacing a 700-foot cable drop (RG-6) with fiber. The cable is already in place, with several free strand pairs, so all that's needed would be a transmitter/receiver pair. What do you offer?

Answer:
 
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/thor-optical-mini-catv-rf-transmitter-45-1000mhz.html
this is the least expensive transmitter we offer
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/thor-fiber-optical-mini-ftth-rf-catv-cable-tv-receiver-8230.html
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/rf-catv-mini-optical-receiver.html
We have two compact optical RX options
RF over Fiber equipment only works on singlemode fiber. hopefully thats what you have installed. If you have multimode, nothing in the world will work.
That's bad news, because I'm afraid the cable is multi-mode.
You can not put RF on multimode fiber. flat out doesn't work.
How can I tell what type of cable has been installed?
single mode cable is usually yellow
MM is usually orange
Ours is orange. OK, and thanks for the input. Time to think about a Plan B, which would involve replacing the RG-6 with a better grade coaxial cable. What would you recommend?
RG 6 is the standard most people go with.
You can go up to RG11
but realistically at 700ft you'll need Amps regardless
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/distribution-amplifier-30db-54-1000mhz-coax-catv-qam-atsc-analog-rf.html
We're getting way too much signal attenuation over a run of that length.
Might be an easy solution if you just have the one run giving you issues. Then again if you think your cable is damaged, installed poorly, thus giving you too much attenuation then replace it with RG 11 and throw on a DA
technically speaking you shouldn't even be able to get a signal on the other side
900MHz
 
20.1dB
 
6.0dB
 
5.4dB
So in this table RG 6 versus RG 11 is only .6db of loss difference per 100ft
I would get an amp, don't worry about the cable
It's just that single long run. The rest of the CATV distribution system uses amps.
if its RG59 then replace the coax, if its RG6 then leave it
our amp is +30 db so you'll replace about 500ft of cable with one unit
Tx
Does the amp go at the transmitting end or the receiving? Or in the middle?
depends on how much power you're reading at the transmission site, if its high, then go middle, if its low at the outset, then go transmission then middle
get an RF meter and check the power at multiple points and see where you are
you don't want to overdrive the signal to high and then go too low, you'll degrade the quality that way
Are you recommending a specific amplifier?
ours never have issues
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/distribution-amplifier-30db-54-1000mhz-coax-catv-qam-atsc-analog-rf.html
The RG-6 is in the ceiling. To stall an amp at a half-way point would require an electrical outlet that's not there.
 

Question:

Is it any other way I can distribute HDMI over our facility?

Answer:

There are some other was to deal with the HDMI real-time distribution

1)  HDMI over Ethernet, this is also a very convenient day and not
noticeable delay
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/4k-hdmi-over-ip-ethenet-cat6-rj45-extender-300feet-with-8230.html
2) HDMI over fiber
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/hdmi-fiber-extender-with-ir.html
3)SDI over fiber
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-sdi-hdsdi-over-fiber-mini-extender.html

Question:

I’m the technical officer on a  pipe lay vessel and I am looking into a replacement TV distribution system.Our current set up is we have our satellite controller installed and receive the signal through it and then this is connected to local decoders which are purchased in the region we are working. From the decoders we go to modulators and distribute on analogue around the vessel.We are starting to see out modulators fail and as a result we are looking at new options. We are also now having to use HDMI to AV scalers as most decoders are only HDMI so not Aux (red/white/Yellow) and our current modulators only have a aux to 3.5mm av jack input. With this set up we are loosing quality and introducing noise in our system. I have seen your rack mounted system  Petit-12CH-RM and I am looking for some advice as tv distribution is not my strong field. We would b looking at pushing up to 20 channels out around the vessel so I understand we would require two of these units, can they be put in series for that many so in effect 24 channels. I presume these are standard digital outputs and we can tune any tv worldwide into them. Does each modulator require its own power supply or is there a unit that can be used to do the whole rack frame. We do have some analogue inputs we need to transmit but I can use scalar to do that as I don’t think your rack system could take them, Im looking for the best option for the system. That is easy to maintain and set up.Any help or guidance on this would be appreciated

Answer:
Yes this system sounds like it would be ideal for you. 
We do have 1RU power strips you can attach to the rack which have 8 outlets in each. 
 
This is a popular option; the other option is using a multi channel modulator, currently the Thunder-4 is at a great price so it works out to be about the same. 
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-or-8-hdmi-digital-rf-encoder-modulator-8230.html/238
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In this case you would need 5pcs of the Thunder-4 to output 20 channels, using an RF combiner, and less power supplies. 
All of our units are digital modulators, they don't output analog. 
 
Let me know if you have any other questions, or thoughts, what your preference is etc. 

Question:

Good day sales team I am looking to replace several Pico Digital SDQ6. A 6 channel SD encoder QAM/Modulator. I have a private housing complex where I modulate a 60 channel private TV system. By any chance do you have equipment that can replace this one?

Answer:

We have a lot of options for Qam Modulators. We have 8 Channel HDMI input modulators https://thorbroadcast.com/product/1-4-or-8-hdmi-digital-rf-encoder-modulator-8230.html/239 They are a great value for price per channel. Terrific HD picture. We also have individual units like the RF PETIT that can be mounted in Chassis as well https://thorbroadcast.com/product/petit-hdmi-rf-modulator-chassis-system-for-1-12-units.html/254 How many channels are you looking to do out of the 60? Or do you need all 60 replaced?

Question:

Is there a way to boost power or do I need an amplifier? Thanks

Answer:
The maximum RF output power from the modulator is +32dbmv
Please log in to the modulator, the IP address is 192.168.1.10,
Please check attached instructions as well
In the Modulation Parameters you can set attenuation so the strongest signal is with the "0" attention value.
If you need more than +32dbmv than you would need to use amplifier, or we do have other modulators with the strongest RF output power

Question:
I have a couple questions about your RF modulator
 
I am looking to use an RF modulator to distribute video to 5 TV's we have outside in our service drive at our car dealership. I will need to split 1 to 5 and those 5 displays are about 150 feet away from the source. What splitter should I use?
Also, do y'all have dealers around Dallas, TX where I could go purchase your products?

Answer:
 
 
 
 
 
Any splitter should work fine
We do have integrators in Texas, but resellers are online mostly
Ok, thank you. Thats what I needed!
No probelm
problem
Do you think just a regular splitter or an amplified splitter?
depends on the coax run
and the particular modulator you're looking at
Petit HDMI RF Modulator. Then about 150 ft run to the splitter and then short runs to the display. At most 30 ft.
I think you should be fine
Ok cool. Thank you.
standard splitter for 45-900mhz will be okay
satelite dish splitters go 1ghz to 2.4ghz
a regular old splitter is very inexpensive

Question:

I have a Thor digital TV tuner (H-STB-QAM-ATSC) and a Thor Modulator (H-HDMI-RF-PETIT). How do I tell the modulator to switch from coax (antenna input) to HDMI (DVD player) input?

Answer:
 
First, please forgive my lack of "tech" terminology regarding your manuals.
I have a Thor digital TV tuner (H-STB-QAM-ATSC) and a Thor Modulator (H-HDMI-RF-PETIT). How do I tell the modulator to switch from coax (antenna input) to HDMI (DVD player) input?
Hello
The modulator outputs a signal via RF from the HDMI source
so it needs to be on a vacant channel, if your antenna feed has channels 2-40 then put our modulator on channel 41
I will give that a try. Any vacant channel? I believe my antenna receives channels up to 58. Also, what channel should the Tuner be on or doesn't it matter?
the tuner can be set to the channel you want to watch
okay then set the modulator to 60
after that you need to rescan the STB for AIR
so it picks up your antenna, and also make sure the modulator is set to ATSC, not qam
Thanks. I will try that. Hopefully all will work fine. If not, I'll beg for more help!
you can also call tech support if you get stuck again, 1800-521-8467 ext 2 and they will help you resolve the issue
I can't call, because our cell phone doesn't get a signal at this location. I set the modulator to channel 65 and did a tuner rescan, with no results. Channel 65 does not show up on the tuner.
is the modulator set for ATSC?
and you're doing a scan for AIR on the STB
I need help with the terminology, please. How do I determine these 2 settings?
Using those 3 buttons you can setup the following:
1) Change the channel number
2) Press HOME 1 time: changes the CABLE QAM (J83b) to AIR ATSC modulation (vice versa)
3) Press HOME 2 times: changes DHCP ON or OFF
4) Press HOME 3 times: Reset to default configuration (factory reset)
https://thorbroadcast.com/ is sharing a file with you. h-hdmi-rf-petit-quick-connection-instructions1.pdf - (Size:2.82 MB)
This is the manual for the modulator
so if you click the menu button on the front of the unit and it reads J83B then that is QAM, you need to change that to ATSC which is terrestrial antenna signal
QAM is Cable and ATSC is Antenna essentially, those are the two standards we use in North America
So we just need to get everything on the same standard, if you have an antenna on your house, then we need the modulator and STB decoder box to also be setup for Antenna, which is ATSC
The modulator offers 3 digital readout: J836, dHOF and ASr. Am I to use the ASr setting when scanning?
no stick on J83B which is north american QAM, press the down when its highlighted and it should switch to ATSC
press up on J83B to switch, then DOWN to SAVE
ASR will reset the unit back to factory settings, so don't play with that
Got it!! Thanks so much. So now if I replace the DVD player HDMI with a ROKU HDMI all should work well, yes? Again, thanks.

Question:

Looking for a method to merge an amplified OTA HD TV antenna with the single HDMI output of a DISH Hopper 3 over a single RG-6 coax cable to two remote HD TVs. Also, need a loop-out of the HDMI source (Hopper 3) for a HD TV located at the source (don't want to lose HDMI quality input for the TV near the Hopper source). Hopper 3: output resolution 1080p or 4K 60FPS (10 bit color); output format HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2. ====== It appears that the H-HDMI-RF-PETIT (THOR HDMI HD Digital RF Modulator sold on Walmart) might fit except for the loop-out and HDCP2.2 spec. Is the H-HDMI-RF-PETIT compatible with HDCP 2.2? Note: Also, looking at placing a 1x2 HDMI splitter

Answer:

Yes that HDCP will work, you can find more specs on the product here

However this is not a 4k resolution product, so your dish hopper would
be better suited if you set it up for 1080i or 1080p/60
We do have 4k  Resolution HDMI  modulator, H-4K-UHD-QAM-IP
 

Question:

We have a Petit HDMI RF modulator connected to an ATEM Mini Pro
Extreme. The modulator is sending our signal out via RG6 coax to a
splitter where we have multiple TV's connected. We are a church, and
so these monitors are located in various spaces outside the sanctuary
for viewing. However, when turned on, the TV's all have a signal lag
behind the live version of somewhere in the 1.5 . Is
cthe RF modulator causing this and what can be done?

Answer:

The encoders in an MPEG-2 system have a delay by nature. The encoder
takes in an uncompressed video or audio signal and applies various
techniques to reduce the data rate, so it can be sent as a modulated
TV channel.
The decoder, or TV tuner, also has some delay as it processes the
encoded data and reconstructs the original signal.
This process takes time and there is nothing that can be done to
eliminate the delay completely.
However, the delay should not be greater than 0.8-1s.

If there is a delay greater than 1s, it is likely that the delay is
coming from something other than the encoding and modulation process.

To test the delay caused by the modulator alone, you can send a clock
signal from a PC to the modulator and to a TV.
Take a picture of the PC screen and the TV next to it, and you will
see that the modulator delay should not be more than 1s.
It's possible that the delay is coming from the ATEM Mini Pro Extreme
or a combination of the ATEM Mini Pro Extreme and the modulator.
this is link to the Timer video you cosul use for testing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cQT4urTlXM


There are different professional and commercial modulators available
that have different chipsets. They can encode and modulate at about
0.3-0.5s, for example,
the H-2ADHD-QAM-IPLL
(https://thorbroadcast.com/product/2-hdmi-ypbpr-hd-digital-tv-modulator-qam-atsc-dvb-t-8230.html).
 

Question:

I have a Thor H-HDMI-RF-PETIT which broadcasts on channel 4.1. Is it possible to add a second one and have it broadcast on channel 4.2?

Answer:

The Petit modulator is capable of generating a single physical cable channel based on the frequency chart/channel table.

https://thorbroadcast.com/upload/files/220/catv-qam-channel-center-frequency.pdf

 

It doesn't have a transport stream multiplexer built into it, it cannot multiplex two programs on a single channel.

You can, however, place these programs on two separate physical channels. For example:

CH4 - 69MHz

CH5 - 79MHz

You can then assign VCT virtual channel numbers, such as 4.1 for the first program and 4.2 for the second program.

This way, the TV will scan and display visual channels, regardless of the fact that they are being transmitted on physical channels 4 and 5.

Please let me know if this explanation is clear.

 

 If you require the ability to multiplex two or more programs on a single frequency, we do have other multi-channel modulators available.:

H-2ADHD-QAM-IP-LL

https://thorbroadcast.com/product/2-hdmi-ypbpr-hd-digital-tv-modulator-qam-atsc-dvb-t-8230.html

Question:

I found out we need 12 inputs, not 8-10. Any pros/cons of going with the Petit w/ 12 modules (and PSU) vs a Thunder 8 and a Thunder 4 to get us a total of 12 inputs? Less wiring? Less network lines/rack space? What would you recommend? A quote would be great. I don't think we need the RF Combiner, if I'm pulling the blonder units and putting these in I think we already have the RF stuff.

Answer:
At that point yes, those are the more obvious differences. There really isn't much of a difference past that; the petits will take up a lot more rack space, plus you'll need accessories like the PSU and Combiner. 
Using an 8 and a 4 obviously means more rack room, less wires and initial  implementation and setting or troubleshooting  time is much quicker, so installation officiency is much better. 
The difference in actual modulation and power to encode isn't much different on these devices specifically, compared to other ones we have on the shelf. 
Both of those were designed to be easy to use and provide excellent picture quality.  You can't go wrong either way; it's up to a designer's choice at this point. I personally would go less rack space and less clutter by design choice, but every one usually has their opinion on that matter.
 

Question:

Wiil the blonder tongue MIRC-4D HE-4 Series Rack Chassis and  Power Supply work for your modulators ? Will it fit ?

Answer:

No unfortunetly not we do have our own mouting system for multiple HDMI modulators and our own power supply ,

part number: H-PS-12X16 , H-RM-PETTIT,  H-LB-PETTIT

Question:

I have a Petit HDMI RF Modulator (H-HDMI-RF-PETIT)

I'm trying to connect a Roku to the HDMI port and the RF just goes out
to an old analog B&W television set.

I can't seem to get any signal - I just get static.  I'm using channel 2
and it's set to ATSC.

What are the best settings for a 70's B&W TV?

Answer:

Thor Broadcast

 

6:42?PM (0 minutes ago)
   
 
to Matthew, Support
 
 
 
 
 
 
Hello Matt,
 
Thank you for contacting us.
 
The most likely problem you are having is that your old TV does not support Digital ATSC of Air or Digital QAM RF. 
You can easily find out by connecting an off-air antenna and scanning for Air channels. If the TV finds digital channels like 2.1, 3.1, 4.1, etc., it means that your TV supports digital signals.
 In that case, we will advise you on what to do.
 
If not, it means that your TV only supports Analog Modulated RF - NTSC. 
Our Petit Modulator supports Digital modulated signals, not analog. However, there is a workaround.
 
You can connect our Petit modulator to the Digital tuner H-STB-QAM-ATSC. 
That tuner will scan and find the digital channel the Petit is generating and output an ANALOG RF - NTSC output on channel 3 or 4, you can then connect to your TV
H-STB-QAM-ATSC
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/qam-catv-rf-and-atsc-rf-to-hdmi-decoder-stb-8230.html

 
 
Please let me know if this is clear. Otherwise, you can run this coaxial cable for the Petit to all your Digital TVs, and you can enjoy full HD video and audio.

Question:

I am trying to split an HDMI into both HDMI and coax without and latency. Will this unit work for that? HDMI in to HDMI out and Coax out without and picture or sound latency.

Answer:
I understand your dilemma, but this Petit modulator Output HDMI is a loopout, meaning it has not gone under the process of encoding and modulation so it can be extended out via RF Coax. The only way to complete this sort of task is using a separate decoder after the encoding process which introduces about 300-350ms of delay. 
 
So if you take your coax feed out of the modulator you have an RF feed, split that coax able with a 1x2 splitter, https://thorbroadcast.com/product/coax-multiplexers-splitters-combiners-f-type-input-output-catv-atsc-or-8230.html/257
Then use a decoder like this one for clear QAM or ATSC, depending on which standard you choose to modulate onto. Tune to the channel, and you have your HDMI out at the same time/speed as the rest of your coax. 
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/qam-catv-rf-and-atsc-rf-to-hdmi-decoder-stb-8230.html
When you decode that RF channel from your modulor, you're running all the encoded TS at the same time with no delay. 
 
Let me know if you have any questions. We have both of those products in stock as well. 

Question:
I have a couple questions:
 

 The question is about Dolby Digital.  I have a ROKU on the HDMI input.  The ROKU is forced to output Dolby Digital.

When I watch the HDMI loop out thru my TV feeding my receiver, I have Dolby Digital 5.1 on content that has Dolby Digital.
However, on the output of the modulator, I just hear the "digital noise".  I have the modulator set to AC3.  I tried all 4 settings actually.  
If I set the ROKU to "auto or stereo", the audio returns, but not in Dolby digital.
 
So, the question is:  Is the modulator capable of passing Dolby Digital on the modulated output?

Answer:

Just a couple of points to clarify:

1) The HDMI output is simply a split/pass-through port and is not processed. Whatever comes in on the HDMI input will be identical on the HDMI output.

2) For the RF output, the HDMI video must be encoded to MPEG-2, and the audio must be encoded to MPEG-1 or Dolby AC-3 (selectable) from uncompressed PCM audio. We can generate MPEG-1 or AC-3 audio from PCM.

If the HDMI source already has Dolby AC-3 audio, the Petit will automatically pass it through. However, if the HDMI input has Dolby Digital 5.1, unfortunately we are not able to process it, this is why you are experiencing noise.

The only way to have both the HDMI output and RF output working correctly is to set the HDMI audio on the source to uncompressed PCM or Dolby AC3

Question:

Hello, I have a very quick and simple question.  I am looking into the purchase of the HDMI to RF Pretit model along with the coax splitter 1x16.  The longest run of cable we will utilize is maybe 200' at best everything majority will be under 100'.  Just wanting some advice if this is a correct route to go or if I would need to add an amp at any given point in the system.

Answer:

For 200-foot runs, you should not need an amplifier when using the HDMI-to-RF Modulator with a 1x16 splitter — that setup should work fine.

The modulator’s maximum RF output level is +40 dBmV. The H-SP-1x16 splitter has approximately 15 dB insertion loss:
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/coax-multiplexers-splitters-combiners-f-type-input-output-catv-atsc-or-8230.html/258

Coaxial cable loss depends on the frequency and cable type, but we can estimate an average of about 5 dB loss per 100 feet. With a 200-foot run, that would be approximately 10 dB of cable loss.

Most TVs can receive signals as low as about +5 dBmV, so your signal level should still be within a safe range. I would recommend testing the system as-is first.

If you find that the signal loss is higher than expected, you could add an amplifier — such as the H-RF-AMP-40 — after the modulator and before the splitter:
https://thorbroadcast.com/product/40db-bi-directional-distribution-amplifier-54-1000mhz-coax-catv-qam-atsc-analog-8230.html

Question:

Good evening, we have the HDMI RF MODULATOR device. We are in Italy, does it work with the European tuner? Inside system parameters there is the "modulation settings" section, can we change the modulation from there? What is the password to enter "modulation settings"?

We need to connect a device with resolution 1920x1200. It not work right? I don't test it but in the paper of the device there is not this resolution. Can you confirm that? Thank you so much for the support

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thanks, now it works on European TVs too.We need this installation to send the "cartography" to the TVs on board a Yacht.In this case the Yacht is intended for the U.S.A. market and has American TVs.Can you recommend a "free" TV channel to assign to the modulator to send the RF signal.I saw that it is possible to choose between 1 and 69.Which one do you recommend for the American market?

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Can you help for the configuration for America Tvs?

 

  • Modulation Format  ? -  For the  US Tv's you can use J.83B ( scan TV for Cable ) or ATSC scan TV for (AIR )

Answer:
The password should be"THOR"  by default. 
 
Inside those parameters you can switch to J83A for European QAM or to DVBT. 
 
Since this model was made to work with broadcast signals not PC resolutions. 
For best results use:
720p/59.94 or 60 Hz
1080i/59.94 or 60 Hz
1080p/59.94 or 60 Hz
 
unit dosnt support 25, 29.94 or 30hz
 
Please let me know if you have any further questions. 

 

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I would think that Channel 2 is perhaps the most convenient channel, over here in the states that is generally CBS. 
However most areas will have different arrangements of free off air channels in ATSC. If you are using QAM, the same is applicable as most RF headends will start with channel 2 and build up from there. 
 
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Same thing, channel 2, but it needs to be on QAM J86A for European market; or if they are using OTA Antenna then it needs to be set to DVBT.
 
Make sure the modulator is set up to search for either of those two RF standards otherwise it will not pick it up. 
 
However if this is for an existing antenna system on the Yacht, then you must put the modulator Channel on a Vacant frequency. 
If you scan a TV for channel 2, and it already has programming on channel 2, the modulator will not overwrite the existing DVBT channel. 
So if you have it set to DVBT, you must find an empty frequency, then set the modulator to the open frequency, then finally scan the TV and the HDMI source should be there.

Question:

I want to create some content from a laptop and broadcast it using an antenna—something like a small digital broadcast on Channel 15, just locally on my own property. I have a small resort, and I want to use it to display things like events, announcements, and what’s happening around the property.

I bought the Thor Petit, and I actually have it working. If I plug the RF output directly from the Thor Petit into a TV using coax, it broadcasts on Channel 15 through the cable.

From what I understand, if I want to broadcast through an antenna instead of cable, I would need an amplifier. I tried using AI to figure it out, but it wasn’t very helpful. It suggested buying a B-Tech amplifier, but after doing more research it seems that amplifier requires a stronger RF input signal than what the Thor Petit outputs.

So I was wondering if Thor has a product that works with the Petit that would allow me to connect to an antenna and broadcast. I think the FCC limits this kind of broadcast to about 1 watt, maybe even 0.1 watt. I’m not completely sure. I know you’re generally not supposed to broadcast anything, but this would just be for a small hobby purpose on my property.

 

Answer:

Stan:
Yes, the Thor Petit is the correct unit for what you want to do.

What you need to do is switch the output mode to ATSC (air) instead of cable. The Petit supports two modulation standards:

  • Cable (QAM)

  • Over-the-air broadcast (ATSC)

For an antenna, you need to switch it to ATSC / Air mode.

If you connect a small antenna directly, it will work. It will probably cover a short distance—something like inside a house or nearby area.

If you want to extend the range further, you can use a small RF amplifier. We have one available:

H-AMP-RF-40
40 dB RF Amplifier

That should give you enough power to broadcast approximately 200–300 feet depending on the antenna and installation.


Customer:
Okay, that actually sounds about right. I’m running a small campground and trying to broadcast to TVs in the parking area. When guests arrive, they could just tune their TV to Channel 15 and see a welcome video or information.

I already have an antenna. I saw your amplifier listed for about $369. Is that the one you recommend?


Stan:
Yes, that would be the one.

But keep in mind the antenna itself is very important, as well as:

  • how high you mount it

  • the type of antenna

  • the surrounding terrain

The amplifier will make the signal stronger, but RF propagation depends heavily on antenna placement.

Also, I should mention that increasing RF power too much could potentially interfere with over-the-air broadcasts, so you should be careful about that.


Customer:
Understood. I’m actually outside the U.S., and from what I understand, as long as the signal stays within my property—about 100 acres—I shouldn’t be causing problems. I’m just broadcasting from my clubhouse to the parking lot.


Stan:
That makes sense. If it's only a few hundred feet and stays within your property, it should be fine.

How far do you actually need to reach?


Customer:
Probably around 500 to 1,000 feet.


Stan:
Okay. That might actually work without the amplifier if your antenna is high enough.

You can try this first:

  1. Switch the Petit to ATSC (Air) mode

  2. Connect your antenna directly to the RF output

  3. Test the coverage

If the signal isn't strong enough, then you can add the H-AMP-RF-40 amplifier to boost it.


Customer:
So you're saying I can connect the antenna directly to the Petit?


Stan:
Yes, absolutely. That’s actually the intended use. The Petit is designed to connect directly to an RF system or antenna.

It will definitely broadcast—you just need to test how far the signal reaches.

I’ve tested it in my house before and it worked.


Customer:
Okay, I’ll try connecting the antenna directly when I get back home. I had only tested the cable connection so far.


Stan:
Perfect. Try it first without the amplifier. If you need more range, then you can add the 40 dB RF amplifier later.

 

Facts:

What are the rules in the United States regarding broadcasting your own type of station on the ATSC spectrum on your own land? Are there any specific distance or power restrictions? Is it allowed?

 

:

Short answer: No — in the United States you generally cannot legally broadcast your own ATSC TV station from your property without an FCC license, regardless of distance or property size. There is no exemption just because it is on your own land. The rules are based on spectrum licensing and interference, not property boundaries.

Here is how it actually works.


1. Broadcasting on TV channels (ATSC) requires an FCC license

In the U.S., all television broadcast frequencies (VHF and UHF) are licensed by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC).

That means:

  • You cannot legally transmit ATSC TV signals on those frequencies unless you have a broadcast license.

  • The license must be for a specific channel, power, and location.

Typical licensed TV categories include:

License Type Typical Power Purpose
Full Power TV 100 kW – 1 MW ERP Major broadcast stations
Low Power TV (LPTV) Up to ~15 kW ERP Local stations
TV Translators up to ~250 W – several kW Relay stations

Without one of these licenses, transmitting ATSC on a TV channel is technically illegal, even if it only covers your property.


2. There is no "distance limit" exemption

Many people assume there is a rule like:

“If it stays within my property or under 1000 ft it is allowed.”

That is not true for TV broadcast frequencies.

The FCC regulates based on:

  • Spectrum use

  • Interference with licensed services

Even a very small transmitter could interfere with:

  • TV stations

  • wireless microphones

  • public safety systems

  • white-space devices

So the rule is simply:

No unlicensed transmission in TV broadcast bands.


3. The only legal unlicensed transmitters fall under FCC Part 15

Some extremely low-power devices can operate without a license under FCC Part 15.

Examples:

  • Wi-Fi

  • Bluetooth

  • garage door remotes

  • very low-power FM transmitters

But Part 15 devices must follow very strict emission limits and cannot cause interference.

For broadcast bands:

FM radio example

  • Maximum field strength: 250 µV/m at 3 meters

  • Effective radiated power: roughly 0.01 microwatts

  • Range: usually 100–200 ft

For TV bands, unlicensed broadcasting is generally not permitted under Part 15 (except specialized devices like microphones or telemetry).

So a normal ATSC transmitter cannot legally operate under Part 15.


4. What hobbyists sometimes do (but it’s technically illegal)

Some people still operate very small ATSC modulators connected to antennas.

Typical setups:

  • 0 dBm to +10 dBm RF output

  • small antenna

  • coverage: 100–500 ft

Because power is small, it often doesn't cause interference, so it may go unnoticed.

But legally:

It is still unauthorized broadcasting.


5. Legal alternatives

If someone wants to distribute video around a property (hotel, campground, resort), the legal methods are:

1. Cable RF distribution (most common)

Use QAM modulators into coax.

  • Thor modulators

  • distribution amps

  • coax network

No FCC broadcast issue because it stays inside cable.


2. IPTV network

Use:

  • HDMI → IP encoder

  • multicast over Ethernet

  • smart TVs or set-top boxes


3. Licensed low-power TV station

Possible but difficult:

  • FCC application

  • engineering study

  • frequency allocation

  • license fees


6. The practical reality

Many resorts, RV parks, and campuses do exactly what your caller described:

  • small ATSC modulator

  • tiny antenna

  • coverage under 500–1000 ft

Technically illegal but rarely enforced unless interference occurs.

FCC enforcement usually happens only if:

  • someone complains

  • it interferes with licensed TV

  • it operates at significant power


7. Rough safe engineering guideline (not legal advice)

Engineers usually keep these setups:

Parameter Typical value
RF power 0 to +10 dBm
Antenna gain 2–5 dBi
Coverage 100–1000 ft

But again: still not officially legal.


? For your Thor Petit customer, the best advice is usually:

  1. Switch to ATSC mode

  2. Connect antenna directly

  3. Use very low power

  4. Only cover property area

  5. Avoid licensed channels nearby


If you want, I can also show you something very interesting that most RF engineers know but customers don’t:

Why the FCC almost never detects small ATSC micro-broadcasts under ~10 mW — it explains why campground systems often work without problems.

 
Yes , why ?
 

The main reason very small ATSC “micro-broadcasts” are almost never detected by the FCC comes down to how spectrum monitoring actually works in the real world. It’s not that they are legal — it’s that they are extremely hard to notice unless they cause interference.

Here are the main technical reasons.


1. The FCC does not continuously monitor every TV channel everywhere

The FCC does not run continuous spectrum surveillance across the entire country.

Instead, enforcement works mostly like this:

  1. Complaint-based enforcement

  2. Interference investigations

  3. Occasional targeted sweeps

In practice:

  • A licensed TV station complains about interference.

  • The FCC investigates the area.

  • They track down the source.

If no one complains, nothing usually triggers an investigation.


2. Very low-power signals disappear quickly

RF signals drop off extremely fast with distance.

For example:

RF Power Typical Range
0 dBm (1 mW) ~100–200 ft
+10 dBm (10 mW) ~300–800 ft
+20 dBm (100 mW) ~1000–2000 ft

A small modulator connected to a basic antenna may only cover a few hundred feet.

By the time the signal reaches public space or another TV receiver, it may already be below the noise floor.


3. ATSC receivers ignore weak signals

ATSC digital TV works differently than analog.

A TV only locks onto a signal if it is above a certain threshold (around 15 dB SNR).

Below that level:

  • The receiver simply ignores the signal.

  • It doesn’t appear as a weak picture like analog did.

So weak transmissions effectively become invisible to most receivers.


4. Direction finding requires strong signals

To locate an illegal transmitter, investigators use:

  • spectrum analyzers

  • directional antennas

  • RF triangulation

These techniques require a detectable signal level.

A micro-transmitter that only travels 300–500 ft is extremely difficult to locate unless investigators are already nearby.


5. TV bands are already noisy

Modern TV spectrum contains:

  • weak distant stations

  • reflections

  • LTE/5G leakage

  • atmospheric noise

  • multipath signals

A tiny local transmitter often blends into the existing RF noise.


6. Enforcement resources are limited

The FCC used to have many field offices across the U.S.

Over the past decade:

  • most regional offices were closed

  • only a few enforcement teams remain

Because of this, the FCC focuses mainly on:

  • pirate FM stations

  • aviation interference

  • emergency services interference

  • large illegal transmitters

A tiny ATSC signal inside a campground is very low priority.


7. Interference is the real trigger

Almost every enforcement case starts because someone complains.

Examples:

  • A nearby TV station loses coverage

  • A TV viewer reports interference

  • A cable operator notices a signal leak

If your signal stays very local and on an unused channel, it usually doesn't trigger complaints.


Important note

Even though small transmissions often go unnoticed:

?? It is still technically illegal to broadcast ATSC without an FCC license in the U.S.

The legal risk mainly arises if:

  • the signal interferes with licensed TV

  • power is too high

  • the transmission spreads beyond the property


? This is why systems like the Thor Petit often work well for:

  • resorts

  • RV parks

  • campuses

  • hotels

  • small demo systems

They operate at very low power and short range.


If you want, I can also explain something very useful for your customers:

The best antenna type and RF power level to cover ~500–1000 ft without causing interference.

That is actually a very practical setup for campground or resort applications.

 
How about if the customer use different modulation standard like Dvb-t used in Europe?
 

Using DVB-T instead of ATSC does NOT make it legal in the United States. The FCC regulates the frequency spectrum, not the modulation standard. What matters is transmitting RF energy in the TV broadcast band, regardless of whether it is ATSC, DVB-T, analog NTSC, or anything else.

Here is how it works.


1. The FCC regulates frequencies, not modulation formats

In the U.S., the TV broadcast spectrum (roughly 54–608 MHz after repack) is allocated for licensed television services.

The FCC rules say that any transmission in those bands requires a license, regardless of the digital standard used.

So transmitting:

  • ATSC

  • DVB-T

  • DVB-T2

  • ISDB-T

  • analog NTSC

on a TV channel all require a license.

The FCC does not care what modulation format you use — it only cares that you are transmitting RF energy in a licensed broadcast band.


2. A DVB-T signal would actually be more problematic

If someone transmits DVB-T in the U.S.:

  • U.S. TVs cannot decode DVB-T (they only decode ATSC).

  • But the signal still occupies the same 6 MHz TV channel bandwidth.

That means:

  • It would look like noise/interference to any ATSC receiver.

  • It could disrupt nearby ATSC broadcasts.

So technically DVB-T transmission in the U.S. can be even worse from an interference perspective.


3. The spectrum is already assigned

In the U.S., each TV channel is assigned to specific stations.

Example:

Channel Frequency Range
Channel 14 470–476 MHz
Channel 15 476–482 MHz
Channel 16 482–488 MHz

A licensed broadcaster may already operate on that channel within 50–100 miles, even if you cannot receive it clearly.

Broadcast signals can travel very far, especially under certain atmospheric conditions.

So transmitting on that frequency could interfere with licensed stations.


4. The only legal unlicensed transmissions are under FCC Part 15

The only transmissions allowed without a license are extremely low-power devices under Part 15.

Examples:

  • Wi-Fi

  • Bluetooth

  • wireless microphones

  • some telemetry devices

But broadcast transmitters are not allowed under Part 15.

Even if someone uses DVB-T, ATSC, or analog TV, it would still exceed the permitted limits.


5. What is actually legal for hotels, resorts, and campuses

For distributing TV around a property, the legal methods are:

1. Closed coax network (most common)

RF modulators feed into a cable system inside the property.

Example:

Laptop → HDMI → RF modulator → coax network → TVs

This is completely legal because the signal stays inside the cable infrastructure.


2. IPTV distribution

Using IP streaming instead of RF broadcast.

Example:

Laptop → encoder → Ethernet → smart TVs or IPTV boxes.


3. Licensed broadcast station

Possible but complicated:

  • FCC engineering study

  • spectrum coordination

  • licensing application

This is how Low Power TV (LPTV) stations operate.


6. Why some people still use small RF transmissions

Even though it is technically unauthorized, some small private systems use:

  • very low RF power

  • small antennas

  • limited range (100–500 ft)

The risk is lower because they rarely cause interference.

But legally speaking:

Changing the modulation to DVB-T does not change the legality.


? Simple rule:
If you transmit RF in the TV broadcast spectrum, you need an FCC license, regardless of whether the signal is ATSC, DVB-T, or anything else.


If you'd like, I can also show you something very interesting for your Thor customers:

There is a legal way to use a small antenna with modulators like the Thor Petit without technically broadcasting, and some hotels and casinos use it. It’s a clever RF trick many engineers use.

 
Is it any open frequency open for hobbies six or lower frequency somewhere below or a bath the FCC approved frequencies
 

Yes — in the United States there are some frequencies where hobbyists can legally transmit, but they are not in the TV broadcast band. The FCC provides several options depending on the power level and whether you obtain a license.

Below are the main legal paths.


1. Amateur Radio Bands (Ham Radio) – Licensed but very flexible

If someone gets an Amateur Radio (Ham) license, they can legally transmit on many bands with significant power.

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Examples of amateur bands:

Band Frequency
160 m 1.8 – 2.0 MHz
80 m 3.5 – 4.0 MHz
40 m 7.0 – 7.3 MHz
20 m 14.0 – 14.35 MHz
2 m 144 – 148 MHz
70 cm 420 – 450 MHz

Typical allowed power:

  • Up to 1500 watts PEP in many bands.

However, amateur radio has restrictions:

  • ? No commercial use

  • ? No broadcasting for the general public

  • ? No entertainment broadcasting

It is intended for experimentation and communication between licensed operators.


2. License-Free ISM Bands (Industrial / Scientific / Medical)

These bands allow unlicensed operation under FCC Part 15.

Common ISM bands:

Frequency Typical Use
13.56 MHz RFID / NFC
27 MHz RC toys
433 MHz sensors / remotes
902–928 MHz LoRa / IoT
2.4 GHz Wi-Fi / Bluetooth
5.8 GHz Wi-Fi

Restrictions:

  • very limited power

  • must accept interference

  • cannot interfere with licensed services

These bands are great for data transmission, not broadcast TV.


3. Low-Power FM Radio (Part 15)

There is one place where hobby broadcasting is somewhat allowed.

FM band: 88–108 MHz

Under Part 15 rules:

  • Field strength limit: 250 µV/m at 3 meters

  • Typical range: 100–200 feet

This is how small car FM transmitters work.

People sometimes use these for:

  • drive-in movie audio

  • small events

  • Christmas light displays

But the range is intentionally very small.


4. Citizens Band (CB Radio)

CB radio is another license-free option.

Frequency:

Band Frequency
CB 26.965 – 27.405 MHz

Power limits:

  • 4 watts AM

  • 12 watts SSB

However, CB is meant for two-way communication, not broadcasting.


5. Low Power TV (Legal but licensed)

The only legal way to broadcast TV over the air is through an FCC license.

Example:

License Type Power
LPTV up to ~15 kW
TV translator hundreds of watts

These require:

  • engineering studies

  • FCC application

  • frequency coordination


6. Why there is no "open TV frequency"

TV spectrum is extremely valuable.

Reasons it is tightly controlled:

  • interference travels far

  • high-power transmitters

  • spectrum is scarce

Channels have been repacked and auctioned for billions of dollars.

So there are no hobby broadcast TV channels available.


7. What resorts and campuses usually do instead

Places like:

  • hotels

  • RV parks

  • universities

  • cruise ships

normally use:

RF cable distribution instead of RF broadcast

Example:

Laptop → HDMI → RF modulator → coax network → TVs

This is completely legal because the signal stays inside the cable system.


? Simple summary

Method License Needed Typical Range
ATSC TV broadcast Yes miles
Low power FM Part 15 No ~200 ft
Ham radio Yes miles
ISM bands No short
Cable RF distribution No property-wide

If you want, I can also show you something very interesting related to your Thor modulators:

There is a trick engineers use to legally create a “local TV channel” around a resort using RF modulators and antennas but technically staying within FCC limits.

 
Yes please !
 

Engineers sometimes create a “local TV channel” for a property (hotel, resort, campus, RV park) using RF modulators like your Thor units without technically operating a broadcast station. The trick is to keep the RF energy confined to the property infrastructure instead of radiating freely like a broadcast transmitter.

Here are the common methods.


1. Closed Cable System (Most common and fully legal)

This is how hotels and cruise ships distribute their own channels.

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Typical setup:

Laptop / media player
↓
HDMI modulator (ATSC or QAM)
↓
RF combiner
↓
Coax distribution amplifier
↓
Room TVs

Key points:

  • Signal stays inside coax cables.

  • The coax network acts like a private cable TV system.

  • No RF is intentionally radiated into the air.

This is completely legal because it is considered a cable distribution system, not broadcasting.


2. “Leaky Cable” / Distributed Antenna Systems

Large facilities sometimes use leaky coax cable.

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This cable is designed to radiate very small RF signals along its length.

Used in:

  • tunnels

  • mines

  • subways

  • campuses

  • large buildings

Advantages:

  • RF stays very localized

  • signal coverage is controlled

  • minimal external interference

It behaves more like a distributed antenna inside the property.


3. Extremely Low Power “Micro RF Cells”

Some campuses create very tiny RF cells.

Example setup:

  • ATSC modulator

  • 20–30 dB attenuator

  • small indoor antenna

The attenuator reduces power so the signal only covers:

  • a building

  • a courtyard

  • a parking lot

This keeps the signal very weak outside the property.

Engineers call this:

“RF containment design.”


4. Distributed Headend + IPTV (modern systems)

Many modern resorts combine:

  • IPTV network

  • RF modulators for legacy TVs

Example:

Media server
↓
IP network
↓
Edge modulators
↓
Local coax networks in each building

This allows:

  • property information channel

  • digital signage

  • live event channel

  • welcome channel


5. The engineering principle

The goal is RF containment.

Instead of broadcasting outward like a TV station:

  • keep RF inside cables

  • keep antennas small

  • keep power extremely low

  • keep coverage inside the property

This reduces the chance of interfering with licensed spectrum.


6. Why resorts like this approach

Advantages:

• Works with normal TVs
• No internet required
• Very reliable
• Easy to add channels
• No FCC broadcast license needed (when contained in cable)

That’s why systems like your Thor HDMI modulators are commonly used for:

  • hotels

  • cruise ships

  • stadiums

  • hospitals

  • RV parks


? For the campground customer you mentioned, the best engineering solution would normally be:

Laptop → Thor Petit → small MATV distribution network → TVs

If they absolutely want antenna reception, it should be:

  • very low power

  • very localized

  • ideally inside buildings.



Documents

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